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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Again
Found a shortened version of my list of Parson / Bridgmen Archives at Lewes Record Office:
Surviving records of C.F.Bridgman:1834 – 1959, ESRO, BRN 01 to BRN 98.
BRN01 – 12: Ledger Books detailing Masons work
BRN13 – 55: Day Books again detailing Masons work with costs
BRN56 – 69: Letter Books, Carbon copies of letters sent to clients etc together with hand drawings of monuments (very difficult to read)
BRN70 – 73: Order Books – details and drawings of work ordered
BRN74 – 79: Wage books covering the period 1893 – 1906
BRN80 – 88: Cash Books – itemised expenditure
BRN89 – 90: Classified Accounts and Stock in Hand
BRN91 – 92: Private Accounts
BRN93: Accounts
BRN94: Miscellaneous, Patterns, etc
BRN95: Scrap Album of Drawings, Newspaper cuttings,
BRN96: Album of photographs of tombs
BRN97: Monumental, designs for tombs, monuments, etc
BRN98: Pamphlet – One Hundred and Twenty Sussex Craftsmen, the goods they make …..
Hope it narrows down the search for your ancestors records
Chris in 1066Land
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi there Peter
Unfortunately I do not have a single Crossland or Routledge in my Database.
You picked the two churches that as yet, I have very little data on - the other 4 (John Sub Castro, Southover, South Malling & All Saints) all figure prominently in the data. (You are talking about the posh end of town)
The two churches I have little data on except this information are:
St Michael-in-Lewes.
This church stands in the busy High Street of Lewes, at the foot of the mound bearing the keep of the Norman Castle, and is distinguished by its slender shingled spire rising from the top of a round flint tower (only two others like it in Sussex). Believed to have been instituted as ‘the church of the castle’, the expression “tanquam matrici ecclesie” (Mother Church) in the 16th century seems to imply that it held a position of seniority in the town. By the time of the Reformation, St Michaels was in a deplorable condition and its fortunes suffered another serious setback during the Puritan revolution as the citizens of the town remained predominantly Dissenters. In 1748 extensive building works were carried out (rebuilding of South Aisle, with two doors onto the street) and from the incumbency of Frederick Teed (1841 – 1863) a number of changes began to be made to the liturgy and furnishings which reflected the catholicising influence of Newman and Pusey. Much of the churches present-day character is thanks to the Rev Edgar Herman Cross (1877 – 1891)
St Anne's
Built outside the Town walls in the 12th century and originally known as St Peters and St Mary Westout, this church is a splendid example of Norman architecture with its small rounded doorway and its solid carved interior columns. The chancel was rebuilt in the 13th century. The 12th century font has some fine old carvings. The church roof dates from the 16th century. In the 12th century the church was home to an anchoress who allowed herself to be walled up in a tiny cell by the chancel wall, with only a small window. Her little cold cell became her coffin.
Sorry to be so negative
Chris in 1066Land
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MikeSompting
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Dear Chris
I have just joined roots and coincidentally visited St John sub Castro Lewes yesterday. Especially interesting as an ancestor Peter Guerin Crofts built the present church (and less creditably demolished the previous one). (PGCII's eldest grandchild was Blanche Crofts, she married my great-grandfather Samuel Tristram - they both lie buried at Sompting, where I've just been replanting their graves.)
You say, re photos of memorials and re burial transcriptions etc there, "Dont worry if you cant get to the Church - all this information is available to you right here in the comfort of your own home through Rootschat.com and the Sussex Boards." Being a novice I have been unable to access this, can you please point the way?
I have a fair amount of collateral info about these relatives (including some portraits), so it will be fun to put it all together.
There are a lot of Croftses on the registers of nearby Barcombe village (and one at nearby Hamsey) but I have not been able to establish any connection between those and the St John sub Castro / Malling House / Ringmer & Uckfield / Sompting Abbotts line who are detailed on my family tree. All clues gratefully received.
I am finding it hard to trace the Crofts family prior to Peter Guerin Crofts I's father John. I have plenty of information about the Crofts/Tristram family at Sompting West Sussex but nothing solid prior to John Crofts who married Daniel Le Pla's daughter Ann.
One of the earliest Crofts references I have relates to John Crofts who bought Heene House (near Worthing, West Sussex, previous generation to the family's purchase of nearby Sompting Abbotts), and his father James Crofts Kt was said to have been in the Duke of Albemarle's regiment, but there the trail peters out.
A family portrait of John Crofts I's family was described in a sale catalogue as 'of Saxham Parva, Suffolk', and our Croftses crest at least has 3 bulls heads in common with that on the Saxham Parva website [plus we have the addition of a lion, and a dog on the top - might these indicate the point of departure from the main Saxham Parva line?]. But, I have not been able to trace any direct connection with the Saxham Parva lot who had apparently died out in the C18. Maybe there was a genuine link - or maybe the connection and even the crest was adopted in order to beef up our lot's pedigree! Either way makes a good story but I'd like to find out which...
I hope to be able to put together a pretty thorough story about this Crofts line, as part of the history of the land they owned at Sompting, and will be grateful for any pointers.
Thanks,
Mike
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Mike
Interesting to read your message.
Yes, the info is available - but as yet, it is all stored on my computer.
Memorial Transcriptions, Photographs from inside and outside of the Church of the monuments like the examples below.
Have not got much time at the moment, but will post more later today
Chris in 1066Land
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Mike
Two of the memorials to the Crofts on the wall in the new church
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi again
Two more pictures from inside the church
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi there Mike
Baptisms at St John Sub Castro
1781 Dec 20 Crofts Daniel m Peter Sarah s Rev Peter Guerin Crofts
1817 Apr 29 Crofts John m Peter Guerin Elizabeth Frederica Ringmer Clerk
1819 Apr 2 Crofts Henry Peter m Peter Guerin Elizabeth Frederica OTP Clerk
1820 Aug 17 Crofts Eliza Sarah f Peter Guerin Elizab Frederica Ringmer Clerk
1822 Aug 30 Crofts Charles Daniel m Peter Guerin Elizabeth Frederica St Annes Clerk
1823 Dec 14 Crofts Fanny Charlotte f Peter Guerin Elizabeth Frederica St Annes Clerk
1824 Jul 11 Crofts James m John Susannah OTP Labourer
1825 Apr 9 Crofts Mary Henrietta f Peter Guerin Elizabeth Frederica St Peters Clerk
1828 Jun 17 Crofts Edmund William m Peter Guerin Elizabeth Frederica Malling Clerk
Burials at St John Sub Castro
1778 November 22 Crofts James m James, of Lincolns Inn.
1784 May 29 Crofts Peter Guerin m Rev'd Peter Guerin, Rector of this parish, in the church in a steen grave under the pew.
1878 August 30 Crofts Elizabeth Frederica f 84 Malling
1813 March 19 Crofts Harriet f Wife of Rev Peter Guerin Crofts, Rector of the Parish 34 St Michaels
1829 February 4 Crofts Mary Henrietta f Malling House 4
1859 July 21 Crofts Peter Guerin m 84 South Malling Retired clergyman, Malling House.
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MarieP
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 Chris, Very impressed with your work on the burials. I am in Aussie and cannot look physically at the books. I am researching the following names. Would it be possible to have a lookup at whatever you can?
The names are: Wicks, Manners, Wood and Page.
Many thanks. Marie
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Payne, Beaminster, Dorset
O'Brien, Moynoe, Clare, Ire
Kimber, Hampshire
Cracknell, Finchingfield, Essex
Moriarty, Cahirciveen, Kerry, Ire
Wedesweiler, Nassau, Germany
McInerney, Kilnoe, Clare
Long, Feenagh, Limerick, Ire
Fitzgerald, Ballingarry, Limerick, Ire
Candicks, Wiltshire
Taylor, Warminster, Wiltshire
Mattock, Wiltshire
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Marie
I will certainly look through the data bases for your Wood, Wicks, Manners & Page ancestors.
Can you give me an indication of the time period I am looking at and also some possible forenames to go with the surnames above - this then helps me to try and group the results into families
Thanks
Chris in 1066Land
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi there Marie
Have had a quick look to see what kind of coverage the database has on the names you require:
St John Sub Castro – Databases start in 1601
Have checked them for
Burials - 1800 – 1993
Baptisms – 1846 – 1993 ((1846 – 1902) + (1903 – 1993))
Manners
Burials – 4 entries (No Tombstones)
Baptism - Nill
Page
Burials – 35 entries (3 Tombstones with Inscriptions)
Baptism – 38 entries + 25 entries = 63 entries
Wicks
Burials – 7 entries (No Tombstones)
Baptisms – 7 entries + 6 entries = 13 entries
Wood
Burials - 22 entries (1 Tombstone with Inscription)
Baptisms – 19 entries + 11 entries = 30 entries
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Mike
To the best of my knowledge, I am 100% sure that SGHG have not done any transcription work in St John Sub Castro except what was done by Bax, Collingham etc years ago. Their transcription work of a few selected stones is freely available in the Barbican House Museum in Lewes.
I will post my transcriptions as soon as I have had dinner
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Mike
Here they are
Memorial number 694A
Memorial Description :-
Number of components 1 Memorial condition WEATHERED
Memorial type TOMB IN CRYPT Inscription condition WEATHERED
Material of gravestone Height/Length(mm) 0
Mason Width(mm) 0
Number commemorated 2 Thickness(mm) 0
Inscription Method INCISED Direction faced by memorial
Memorial inscription :-
Chancel of the Old Church:
The Vault/ of the / Revd P.G.Crofts/ 1859/ Underneath the remains/ of the
Revd P.G.Crofts/ and his wife Eliz Frederica/ whose monument are in the/
Chancel of the Church/
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Memorial number 694B
Memorial Description :-
Number of components 1 Memorial condition WEATHERED
Memorial type TOMB IN CRYPT Inscription condition WEATHERED
Material of gravestone Height/Length(mm) 0
Mason Width(mm) 0
Number commemorated 1 Thickness(mm) 0
Inscription Method INCISED Direction faced by memorial
Memorial inscription :-
Tomb in Chancel of the Old Church
The Vault of/ Revd D Le Pla/ 1774/
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Memorial number 694C
Memorial Description :-
Number of components 1 Memorial condition WEATHERED
Memorial type TOMB IN CRYPT Inscription condition WEATHERED
Material of gravestone Height/Length(mm) 0
Mason Width(mm) 0
Number commemorated 1 Thickness(mm) 0
Inscription Method INCISED Direction faced by memorial
Memorial inscription :-
Tomb in Chancel of the Old Church
The Vault of/ William Campion/ 1818/
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Memorial number 694D
Memorial Description :-
Number of components 1 Memorial condition WEATHERED
Memorial type TOMB IN CRYPT Inscription condition WEATHERED
Material of gravestone Height/Length(mm) 0
Mason Width(mm) 0
Number commemorated 2 Thickness(mm) 0
Inscription Method INCISED Direction faced by memorial
Memorial inscription :-
Tomb in Chancel of Old Church
Here lies the remains of/ The Revd Peter Guerin Croft/ Rector of this Parish
who/ died the 21st May/ 1784 in the 40th year of his age/ Also of/ Sarah
Smyth/ relict of Revd P G Croft/ who died Aug 30 1809/ Aged 62 years/
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Memorial number 694E
Memorial Description :-
Number of components 1 Memorial condition WEATHERED
Memorial type TOMB IN CRYPT Inscription condition WEATHERED
Material of gravestone Height/Length(mm) 0
Mason Width(mm) 0
Number commemorated 1 Thickness(mm) 0
Inscription Method INCISED Direction faced by memorial
Memorial inscription :-
Tomb in Chancel of the Old Church
The gravestone/ of Mr James Crofts/ who died Novr 11th 1778/ in the 35th
year/ of his age/
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