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missing houses in 1911 cenus
« on: Saturday 14 February 09 20:17 UTC (UK) »
I'm looking for family in Crimea St in 1910 the street directory shows them @105 but 1n the 1912 covenant they are shown @ 153 but  none of these addresses appear in the 1911 cenus.Anyone any suggestions?? By the way their name is McCluskey
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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 February 09 21:21 UTC (UK) »
I had a look at the on line 1910 BSD at  www.lennonwylie.co.uk

I did not find any McCluskey family on Crimea Street.
I then checked a couple of people from the 1910 BSD, John Baxter from No 101,
and Geo Cunningham from No 111.
John Baxter's family are in House Number 45 on the census, and Geo Cunningham's family are at House number 48 on the census.

This must mean that the house numbers in the Directory, are numbered differently from the census.

By the way, I cant find a single entry on the census for Copperfield Street in Belfast.

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 February 09 22:08 UTC (UK) »
Sorry I gave the wrong scource for the address @ 1910 on my Grandmothers wedding certificate it gives her address in December  1910 as 108 crimea Street
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 February 09 23:06 UTC (UK) »

This will provide the occupants for 108 Crimea St

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Crimea_Street/151082/
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 February 09 13:09 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: OTTO on Saturday 14 February 09 21:21 UTC (UK)

I then checked a couple of people from the 1910 BSD, John Baxter from No 101,
and Geo Cunningham from No 111.
John Baxter's family are in House Number 45 on the census, and Geo Cunningham's family are at House number 48 on the census.

This must mean that the house numbers in the Directory, are numbered differently from the census.


on page 2 of form A it does give the house numbers for the baxters and cunninghams as number 101 and 111

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001445322/

its the problem i've been having understanding which is the correct house number but if the directory gives number 101 crimea street for john baxter and page 2 of form A gives number 101 on the census then the address would be; john baxter,101 crimea street. the house number given on the results page is a number assigned by the enumerator then? does this make sense to anyone or am i confusing myself?

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 February 09 13:52 UTC (UK) »
Tony, I reckon your middle name is GENIUS.
That should  solve a few problems for some people.

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 February 09 14:07 UTC (UK) »
i wish. my better half says it starts with a g alright but the g stands for grumpy Wink

i'm having trouble getting my head round the conflicting house numbers but its good to see that someone else thinks i make sense Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 February 09 22:06 UTC (UK) »
This may be silly question but need to know. part of Crimea St is missing in cenus recently transcribed, would it be possibly that they are on the 1911 cenus returns that  LDS  have. If so what other region would have this in their
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 February 09 22:25 UTC (UK) »
ards g- have merged your latest post with the thread you've already started on the same subject and hopefully we will be able to help. However, reading your first post here I am not sure what you are looking for/have already found.

I searched 1912 Ulster Covenant and was able to find any McCluskeys in Crimea Street (it's sometimes best to check scanned image as there are transcription mistakes).
Also checked 1911 census and found House & Building returns (form B1) for houses 1-59 Crimea Street (these are the houshold numbers not the actual address). As TF13 explained earlier page 2 of Form A gives the actual address.

Can you give us Ulster Covenant reference and names of people as well as names of people you are expecting to find in 1911 census so we can try other ways of searching for them.
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 28 February 09 14:32 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for the interest shown.The family consists of James & Elizabeth McCluskey(parents) siblings Catherine ( cassie ),William James, Mary Jane,&Elizabeth(my grandmother married in 1910 her address shown on certificate as 108 Crimea St. The 1912 covenant images/djvu W0049530004 & W0049190004 png show Cassie & Mary Jane living in 153 Crimea St.I'm trying to indentify birth/death dates/places for James & Elizabeth (parents and also siblings except for my grandmother
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 March 09 10:55 UTC (UK) »
hi ards g,
153 crimea street was occupied by a thomas mckee and family in the census.i went through the first 200 returns for crimea street and thats how i found number 153.

i did come across something strange though which may or may not have anything to do with the missing mccluskeys. there are some census returns with 2 houses on the same form;

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Crimea_Street/151014/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Crimea_Street/151023/

click on the additional page:2

the first one is the return for numbers 73 & 75,the second one for numbers 103 & 105.

i'm trying to think if this would give a reason for a house or its occupants being missed;i don't know.

tony
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 March 09 23:50 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for your help Tony I went through every return for Crimea st but no McCluskeys show.Strange when I can show them in Crimea st 1n 1910 & 1912 @ 108 & 153 respectively.Don,t know where to look now as McCluskeys in returns are not any I,m looking for
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 02 March 09 00:09 UTC (UK) »
it must be frustrating not being able to find them! assuming a mistake wasn't made, and they got left out, then they must be somewhere else in northern ireland or they went across the water before coming back again the following year. you might have to wait until the rest of the counties come online,soon i hope, before you know either way.
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 02 March 09 16:44 UTC (UK) »
Just a follow up I checked the 1911 St directory it showed a William McBeth @ 108 & Thomas Mckee @ 153 this is a real mystery
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