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Topic: Thomas Robertson, born Logie Parish 1793 (Read 617 times)
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DavidofLincs
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An old family record of mine indicates that the eldest child of my ggg-grandfather, Thomas Robertson and his wife Margaret Morgan, was born in 1793 and named Thomas. The births of their subsequent eight children are all recorded in the Logie parish records, but I have reason to believe that Thomas and Margaret may only have moved to Logie parish about 1794 - after the birth of their first child. Thomas Robertson (senior) worked at the (Glenochil) distillery near Menstrie for 24 years and died in 1818, followed by his wife a year later - the gravestone is still there in Logie Churchyard.
The old family record indicates that Thomas (junior) was born on 30 December 1793, that he married, had four children, and died in 1819 - that's all, no further detail. I have been unable to trace any record of his birth, marriage or death - there are no burial registers for Logie for that time.
I am wondering if anyone can help or offer suggestions.
Many thanks.
David Robertson.
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KirstyG
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Do you have the census records for the families of the other 8 siblings? It is possible that they might have kept on touch, Thomas jnrs family could be visiting or even living with some of his relatives? It might not tell you much about him, unless you could find a birth record for one of them refering to him as the father, or his wife's name.
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
Anderson, Nicholson, Crombie, MacDonald
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DavidofLincs
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If only, Kirsty!
My old family notes record a total of ten children born to Thomas Morgan and Margaret Morgan:
- "a son, b.5/12/1792" - unnamed, so probably died at or shortly after birth.
- "Thomas, b.30/12/1793, married, had four children, died 1819" - the one I am struggling to find out anything about.
And then eight more children whose births I have found recorded in the Logie parish registers:
- "Janet, b.30/1/1795, died of typhoid" - presumably before reaching adulthood and long before the first census.
- "Catherine, b.9/5/1797" - I have her and her family in the 1841 census, but her husband died in 1846/47 and she then emigrated to Canada.
- "Margaret, b.12/2/1799" - must have died young as another daughter named Margaret in 1812.
- "Isabella, b.2/8/1801" - her husband died in 1834, and her only son in 1849 - I have found her and her only daughter (who remained unmarried) in every census from 1851 on (with no visitors) but I have not yet managed to find them in the 1841 census.
- "John, b.28/9/1803, cabinet maker, unmarried" - I don't know whether he lived through to 1841, but John Robertson is not the easiest name to pin down in a Scottish census!
- "Alexander, b.1/6/1806, d.17/12/1835, married, no children" - I have been unable to trace his marriage.
- "Peter, b.13/8/1809" - my gg-grandfather, and I have all the census details for him from 1841 on - there are two vistors present in 1851 but both I think from his wife's family.
- "Margaret, b.1/10/1812" - she married in Glasgow and I have all their census details from 1841 on - there is one visitor(?) in 1841, a James Roughhead but from his occupation I would think he was a work colleague of her husband, both being Engineer journeymen.
So there you are - I think I am going to need a stroke of luck if I am to get any further - which is why I thought I would try Rootschat!
David.
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KirstyG
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Eeek!
I too gave up when searching for a Robertson in that era...
I presume that as you have knowledge of a stone in Logie churchyard that means you have checked there is no stone for previous generations ( or not one that can still be read)?
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
Anderson, Nicholson, Crombie, MacDonald
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sarcam2
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Thomas Robertson and Margaret Morgan were my ggg-grandparents, their daughter Margaret (b. 1812, married Macdonald West) being my gg-grandmother. I have no other information on any other children of Thomas and Margaret. Would be interested in finding out more information.
Sarah
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DavidofLincs
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Hello Sarah,
The wonders of Rootschat! It's great that you should have made contact. If Margaret (b.1812) is your gg-grandmother, then I think we are 'fourth' cousins.
I have lots of information on the Robertson family tree built up over several years, but I am sure that you will be able to help with the Wests. Why don't you contact me off-line at the following address - (*) - and I can then fill you in further?
Look forward to hearing from you.
David.
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sarcam2
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Hi David
Just after my posting last night I came across some communication that my grandfather had with a William Robertson and a hand-drawn chart showing the junction of the Robertson and West families.
I have to have made 3 postings on this sight to accept the Personal Message option so bear with me. Will send another.
Sarah
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sarcam2
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Hi David ... message number 3 ... hopefully this will allow me to access the PM option.
Also came across a type-written "copy of and old manuscript sent by James Robertson of Kincardine, cousin of Thomas West
Will now try to contact you via personal message as have made 3 messages here.
Sarah
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apanderson
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David - do you have any siblings for Thomas Robertson?
Logie Old Churchyard & Logie Churchyard are full of Robertsons (and a few Morgans) but without any indication of which particular Robertsons are connected .......
Have a wee look here:
(Logie Old Churchyard) http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/44.pdf
(Logie Churchyard) http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/43.pdf
You might be able to tie some of them up.
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DavidofLincs
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For Sarah - I have your personal message and will get back to you at length shortly.
For apanderson - thank you for the links to Logie churchyard, which I will have to look at carefully - a bit of detective work called for here I think! Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of siblings for either Thomas Robertson or Margaret Morgan. I can only guess at their parents' names from the naming of their children, assuming they followed standard Scottish practice.
Best regards,
David Robertson.
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DavidofLincs
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For apanderson:
Just to record that Sarah (sarcam2) came up with a list of siblings of Thomas Robertson and some birth dates, and this has enabled me to pin down the family to Fossoway and Tullibole parish. So your stategy was spot on!
Thomas and most of his siblings seem to have been born in the old Manse of Fossoway (between 1757 and 1774), so now I wonder if anyone has any information on the history of that building. Perhaps this is more a query to be posted on the Kinross forum?
David.
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apanderson
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Great news David!!
Glad to be of help.
Anne
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