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findem
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EVE, Essex
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I have three Eve families in my tree, the first two at High Easter and the last at Great Waltham.
Thomas Eve and Martha Green who had a licence and a one hundred pound bond to marry within two weeks at High Easter, if they did marry there it doesn't show in the High Easter PRs, they had ten known children baptised 1740 to 1766 all at High Easter.
Weston Eve and Sarah Wheal married 1773 at Maldon, they had six known children all baptised at High Easter 1774 t0 1794. Some researchers claim that an Abraham Eve born c1777 at High Easter belongs to this family but as far as I know the baptism remains still to be found.
George Eve and Susanna Adams married 1819 at Great Waltham, they had six known children all baptised at Gt Waltham 1821 to 1842, their daughter Deborah married my great grandfather William Card in 1862.
I also have Eve families from other Essex parishes that I have not linked to my line and like the families above are all from my own research at the Essex Records Office at Chelmsford.
I am more than happy to share my info.
NB Weston Eve did marry Sarah Wheal and not Lucy Wood, Lucy married Abraham Eve in 1799 at Gt Waltham, unfortunately a number of people have picked up erroneous info from an Eve name site on the net. 
Regards
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countrybumpkin
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I have a Judith Eve in my tree, she would have been born abt 1711, I have her marriage to Stephen Alger at Great Canfield in 1738. Do you know of her at all?
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findem
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Hi Countrybumpkin,
Sorry but there is no Judith Eve in my tree or databases.
I'm pretty sure I've seen mention of a Judith Eve somewhere though and possibly coupled with Alger/Algar, most likely through my GR tree, so when time permits I'll have a look and let you know what I find.
My next Eve research in PRs will be on the family of Thomas Eve and Mary Chalk who I found in the High Easter PRs, they married 11 Oct 1716.
According to the IGI (member submitted entry) they had a daughter Mary baptised at High Easter 30 Mar 1717.
In the Pleshey PRs a Rootschat contact found for me Thomas the son of Thomas Eve baptised 12 Feb 1719, who could be the ancestor Thomas Eve who married Martha Green in 1740, I need to know if Thomas and Mary Eve baptised any more children in Pleshey.
I'll keep an eye open for a Judith Eve baptised in the early 1700s in both Pleshey and High Easter PRs, unfortunately this probably won't be until my next trip to the UK.
Regards
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countrybumpkin
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Dear Findem, thank you very much for the info, if you do come across Judith Eve she was in the parish of Great Canfield when she married Stephen Alger who was farming there.
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findem
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Hi countrybumpkin,
Just carried out a search on "another site" and have found the Judith Eve I mentioned in my last post, in the tree of one of my contacts. A search has also revealed a second person, not a contact of mine, who has Judith Eve 1713 Gt Canfield in their tree, I have sent that person a message regarding contact with you.
There are a couple of things I want to check with you and will send you a PM.
Regards.
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456astro
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Hello Findem,
I am new here and found your entry through looking for the name Eve.
My great great grandmother was Mary Eve (born 1827 in Terling, Essex, died 1907 in Eridge, Sussex). She was the daughter of Thomas Eve (born 1795 in Pleshey, Essex and died in 1866?) and Mary Hammond (born?, died?).
Thomas was the son of Benjamin Eve (born 1751 in High Easter, died ?) and Amy Copman (born 1762 in High Easter, died 1836 in Terling, Essex).
Benjamin I believe was the son of John Eve (died 1778 in High Easter?) and Joanna ...(born?, died?).
I live in the Netherlands, so have to rely on the internet a lot, but 2 years ago I made a trip to Chelmsford Essex and found a lot of information.
Only it differs on quite a few points with info on an Eve site on the internet that has lots of names etc. So I started to doubt my findings and reasoning.
I would be very interested in the extra information you may have and hopefully solve the puzzle?
Regards,
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findem
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Hi 456astro,
I'm afraid at this stage I can't help much with the Pleshey Eves.
I am inclined to think that the Thomas Eve baptised 12 Feb 1719 at Pleshey, the son of Thomas Eve, could be the son of Thomas Eve & Mary Chalk who married 11 Oct 1716 at High Easter. On my next trip to the UK I will be following up the 1719 Thomas Eve to see if he married or was buried in Pleshey because I suspect he might be my ancestor Thomas Eve who married Martha Green in 1740 at High Easter.
My ancestors Thomas Eve and Martha Green also had a son Benjamin who was baptised at High Easter 25 Dec 1751 but I have been informed by a contact that there was another Benjamin Eve baptised in 1751 at High Easter who was the son of Benjamin and Joanna Eve.
What I will do is search the site where I have contact with the person who has Benjamin and Joanna in their tree and perhaps arrange for contact between yourself and them, if that is OK by you?
I would be interested to learn of the name of the site you mentioned, I note you do not have the required three posts to allow you to send me a Personal Message so I will send you a PM and then you should be OK to reply to mine with the name of the site.
Regards.
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456astro
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Hello Findem,
Thank you for your quick reply. Indeed I am new and not allowed to send or receive PM's. I need 3 postings first. Does this count for no. 2? I guess mentioning the link here is not allowed?
I would be very grateful for any contact with people also interested in Eve family members.
There are several John, Thomas en Benjamin Eve's in the same generation each time and that is confusing. In Holland naming children followed rather tight rules in past centuries and with the help of marriage witnesses and christening witnesses/godparents (if mentioned) it is often possible to make an educated guess.
But I haven't figured out the English system yet (if there is one).
I too have found 2 Benjamins mentioned in 1751 in High Easter.
28 april 1751 Eve, Benjamin s.o. John and Joanna (my tree)
25 Dec 1751 Eve, Benjamin s.o. Thomas and Martha (your tree)
Maybe John and Thomas were brothers and both named their son after the same family member?
"My" Benjamin marries in High Easter (Amy Copman) and then apparently moves to Pleshey as his children are baptised there.
His son Thomas moves to Terling and is admitted into the Non Conformist Church there April 17, 1820.
Do you have any information about the Eve family being non conformist?
I hope I will be able to open my PM soon
regards,
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findem
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Hi,
Well I've had a look through my contacts and find that most of them, although appearing to roughly follow the same line as yours, contain nothing of help to you, also the dates are all circa and so have no real substance.
However there is one lady who has a better tree and she has:
John Eve married Johannah Bush 23 Oct 1739 at High Easter (another contact shows this marriage as Oct 1739 Gt Waltham and the IGI batch M043191 shows it as 23 Oct 1739 at Gt Waltham.
12 children of that marriage are shown, all baptised at High Easter, one is Benjamin Eve baptised 28 Apr 1751, Benjamin is shown as marrying Ann Smith 5 Nov 1775 at High Easter. In the notes attached to Ann's details her names are given as Anna Ameretta Smith, interesting that name, might it be of Romany origin!
Another of the children is Thomas Eve baptised 25 Oct 1747 at High Easter.
There are name matches with four children of John & Johanna and four of Thomas & Martha, they are Ann, John, Thomas and Benjamin.
Benjamin Eve and Ann Smith are shown as having four children, Anne, Benjamin, William and Sarah.
The lady states that she thinks the parents of John Eve might be Thomas Eve and Mary Chalk.
The sources for most of the information in this tree is stated as being from parish registers.
I will contact the lady and ask her if she would be prepared to give me her email address to pass on to you.
With two Benjamin Eves being baptised in High Easter in 1751 I wonder how difficult it will be to determine which Benjamin married which bride? Might pay to put a request in Essex Lookup Requests for both Benjamin Eve marriages to check if there are witness names to help. Perhaps the lady in question may have proof positive.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Thomas and John were brothers.
Sorry but I have found no non conformist events in my Eves, all events have been C of E as it was in those days, mind you, on average I only visit the UK and Essex once every two years so that doesn't allow the time to follow up the lives of ancestor siblings. In fact I usually have a list as long as your arm of parishes to search for possible ancestors and inevitably come home with some searches not made.
Might be a good idea to send me your email address by PM (reply to my previous one to you) and I will send you my Family Group Sheet for the family of Thomas Eve and Martha Green, it could help with comparing names of children etc. The sheet is on Microsoft Excel.
Regards.
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456astro
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Hello findem,
John Eve and Joanna Bush married 1739 sounds very promissing. When I was in Chelmsford 2 years ago I found 10 children for a John and Joanna Eve. I do have an age gap of 8 years that I wanted to look into so that could easily be 2 children missed!
I also found a Benjamin Eve and Anna Margaretha Smith (terrible writing so could be a different name) married 5 nov 1771 in High Easter. Both made their mark, no witnesses mentioned.
I think this Benjamin is not the son of John and Joanna.
I think the Benjamin who marries Amy Copman on 30 Nov 1781 in High Easter is the son of John and Joanna.
The parish register shows Benjamin signing his name and Amy making her mark. Witnesses were Philimon Eve and William Archer who both sign their name.
I assume this because of the following:
- Benjamin had a brother Philimon and it would make sense if he was a witness at his wedding.
- Both Benjamin and Philimon can sign their name, the other Benjamin made his mark. This could maybe be another indication they came from the same family.
- In 1761 Ann Eve marries John Horrington. Witnesses John Eve and James ... (Price?). John Eve sign his name. He is Ann's father and Benjamin and Philimon's father.
So that could be 3 men in one family knowing how to sign their name.
I don't know how "solid" this reasoning is and nor do I really know how many ordinary people could sign their name.
I would appreciate any thoughts on this.
regards,
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findem
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Hi 456astro,
Regarding your last post, your overall reasoning seems good to me but I hasten to say I don't pretend to be an expert. I hope the family group sheet I sent may help the process by showing you the sibling names of the other Benjamin Eve.
If your theory regarding your Benjamin's line is correct, as I suspect it is, then Anna Ameretta Smith would have married the Benjamin Eve who is the brother of my ancestor Weston Eve.
Just been to Behind The Name to see if I could find the origins of the name Ameretta but nothing there exactly matched.
Regards
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456astro
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Hello Findem,
Thank you for your comments. I am no expert either so ....
It is a pity people didn't mention more details, but I suppose they never imagined we would be so interested a couple of hundred years later. And then again, we should probably be grateful so much has survived!
I looked at the name site you mentioned, it's great!
In my files it is indeed "your" Benjamin that marries the lady with the unusual name. In the baptism register it is spelled differenty each time so maybe it was unusual then too. Pity about the "Smith" bit, it would have been so nice to have a matching unusual surname!
The name Weston is rather unusual too isn't it?
I hope the info I sent you is of interest,
regards,
Linda
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findem
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Hi Linda,
Thanks for the info and yes I do find it of interest, very much so, there being so much I haven't of course taken it all in yet!
Since there is a chance Thomas & Mary Chalk married 1716 High Easter could be your ancestors I thought I would keep you up to date, as a recap my theory is that their son Thomas baptised 1719 at Pleshey is the Thomas Eve who married Martha Green in 1740. I have been able to do part of the checks I need to do online.
Pleshey fiche D/P 149/1/1:
Checked marriages to 1737 (on-line fiche ends that year) no marriage found for Thomas.
Checked baptisms 1715 to 1738 (on-line fiche ends that year) found no Eve children's baptisms.
Checked burials 1719 to 1725 (on-line fiche ends that year) no burial found for Thomas.
High Easter fiche D/P 46/1/1:
Checked baptisms 1715 to 1723 (on-line fiche ends that year) confirmed the baptism of Mary Eve daughter of Thomas & Mary 30 Mar 1717 but found no other children of Thomas and Mary there.
Burials on this fiche end 1678 therefore a check was not possible.
I would have liked to be able to check Pleshey and H E for burials to at least 1741, also marriages to at least 1740 just in case there was a third Thomas Eve lurking to upset the Apple cart!
Unfortunately Thomas and Mary appear to have taken themselves and two children off to somewhere other than Pleshey or High Easter so now it's a question of tracking the family down. In an effort to track them down I have tried the IGI for a John Eve 1716 to 1746 but nothing suitable found.
Weston is an unusual name and I found in Roxwell PRs Weston Eve baptised 1689 and his parents, Weston and Mary Battle, also named a son Thomas, I think Roxwell needs checking out.
Also at Roxwell I found 3 children including a Thomas (but no Weston) of Weston and Anne Eve baptised 1664 to 1670.
Robert Eve of Wolstan and Sarah baptised 1748 at East Hanningfield.
Weston Eve of Weston and Mary baptised 1749 at Gt Burstead.
The reason the name Ameretta caught my interest is due to the first name of one of my great aunts, Councellatta Flack, she was a Romany who married into my Searles line to a sibling, to me the name Ameretta had the same sort of ring to it as Councellatta. By the way there are Romanies with the surname Smith.
Regards.
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456astro
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Hi,
Glad the info is of interest.
I assume the online registers you mention are via the seax site?
I found a link in one of your earlier posts. I did not realise they had this much available online, it's fantastic and I hope they keep up the good work and add more in the (near) future!
I have only recently picked up where I left off on my English ancestors and things have really moved fast as far as internet is concerned.
Thank you very much for the extra Eve info. I agree it is quite possible Thomas and Mary are also John's parents. The date fits. I will keep looking too and let you know if I find anything of interest.
regards
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countrybumpkin
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Hello Linda, can I just interupt you and Derek for a moment and ask if you find a Judith Eve in your travels on the net, she was born around 1711/1713 time but I don't as yet know where. I don't know who her parents were but she did marry in 1738 in Great Canfield so she could have come from any of the surrounding villages in that part of Essex. She does not appear in the PR's of Leaden Roding, Alythorpe Roding, High Roding, so if anyone comes across her please let me know.
Bernice
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