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pixiechick
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Re: Germany: wagner came from germany to uk
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 01 April 09 11:50 UTC (UK) »

Still hitting brick walls!

Long shot but does anyone know if there are records of passports issued as they must have had to have one to board the ship to cross the channel Huh

I've looked at german family record sites and still no trace of the family of Christoph Wagner but then I have not much to go on just that his father was a farmer and his name was Frederick or it states Christoph on his second marriage certificate!


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Sue15
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Re: Germany: wagner came from germany to uk
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 01 April 09 14:10 UTC (UK) »

Dear Pixiechick
Passports are really something of the late 19th and 20th century. I cannot think one was necessary back in the 1840's. Germany was not a unified country until 1871 so I think this is not a likely path of research.

Have you tried to find if there is a grave for the Wagners in Weston Super Mare? You may find additional information on a MI - I have not got the disc yet from Weston FHS - once it arrives I can look it up but it maybe worth contacting
Weston Town Council to see if they have a record of a grave.
Gravestones can contain surprising information

Names were anglecised in many cases or changes completely. I cannot find a naturalisation record on the National Archives website for a Christopher Wagner however this is one for Fredrich Wagner from Wurtemburg .

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-2201556&j=1

Wagner is quite a common German name and just looking through the Naturalisations listed for Germany - the localities mentioned are spread throughout the country. I am sorry to say without central registration here - its a needle in a haystack.

You could try IGI search

http://www.familysearch.org/
The variants of the name Wagner are covered but there are a lot of potentials

Have you tried looking for a will - sometimes these can have interesting facts.

I am sorry I cannot be more positive. Have you approached Weston Super Mare library to see if they have any information on him?

Fingers crossed for you
Sue


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pixiechick
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Re: Germany: wagner came from germany to uk
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 14 April 09 13:58 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue
Not sure if I mentioned that the local historian you put me in contact with wrote back and was able to provide me with a little bit extra about Christoph and his family and so I haven't contacted the Library as I am sure he would have found everything there was to find.
He unfortuanely couldn't help with the German link. So now I am trying Bristol as I am pretty sure he is on the 1841 census.


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Sue15
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Re: Germany: wagner came from germany to uk
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 16 April 09 06:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi
Glad to hear you got a bit more info- every little helps as they say.

1841 census shows the family living in Broadmead Bristol in the parish of St James
Christopher Wagner age 50 Musician born Foreign Parts
Fred age 25 Musician
HJ ? age 20 Musician
Christian age 17 Musician
Christopher age 24 Musician
Fred ? age 15 Musician

All born Foreign Parts

Class: HO107; Piece 372; Book: 5; Civil Parish: St James; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 54; Page: 7; Line: 24

They are living in a household with two other families- the Knight family - head of which was a Victualler

It is possible that the family arrived in England as Bristol as the port of entry. Maybe Bristol Record Office have some information on the family.

Still waiting for Burial disc for Weston super Mare to look up for you.

All the best
Sue


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pixiechick
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Re: Germany: wagner came from germany to uk
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 16 April 09 08:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue
Yes that is the census I found and thought it must be our Christopher. On the certificate of arrival it shows Dover as the port of arrival via Belgium so what made them decide on going on to Bristol who knows.
I have just had the Weston super Mare burials via someone on Ancestry and unfortunately there is no inscription on his grave. He was buried 4th March 1893 grave no Tc 3771, she was however able to provide burial info on his family which was helpful.
So Christopher remains elusive! Undecided

I am hoping Bristol records will have something !


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pixiechick
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Re: Germany: wagner came from germany to uk
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 07 June 09 15:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue
My last post seems to have disappeared so apologies if you have received this.
I think we have a lead on Christoph.
Another lady who is related to Christoph have not given up on trying to find his roots. She has tried following the others that were with him on certificate of arrival. The one (Gottfried Seidenstucker) is from Kahla, Thuringia, Saxony and she has found a Christoph Wagner b 1822 Zwickau and Friedrick 1787 Meerane. These could potentially be our Christoph and his father.
We need to find out if the above Christoph came to the UK in 1840 landing in Dover along with Elizabeth, Christian, Friedrich and Heinrich Wagner plus Heinrich Blank. Also in 1842 the group were Friedrich Christian, George and Heinrich Wagner plus Gottfried Seidenstucker, Ignaz Ochs, Joseph Hartmann, George and Julien Schmidt again arriving in Dover via Belgium all musicians.

We are wondering if you could point us in the right direction to find out how to trace these facts and also if Christoph b 1822 Zwickau had siblings by the above names. A long shot I know but it seems to be the only lead so far as there are no documents and no one in the family knows where Christophs roots are.

Any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks


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