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dinie
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Canadian Search Advice needed
« on: Tuesday 03 March 09 16:12 UTC (UK) »

My GG Grandmother was born in Canada c1840/45 and I have very limited information.

She was Mary Jane Gates and, according to the 1911 Census was born in Horton, North America Resident.

She married Thomas Hill in Halifax, Nova Scotia on 13/01/1868, and came to the UK with him sometime after that.

Her parents were William and Sarah according to the marriage register (which I have a copy of).

How would I go about tracing any further information about Mary or her family?

All advice most welcome

cheers

dinie


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ADAMS - Kent/Sussex, BROOKS - Buckinghamshire/Northamptonshire. GASCOYNE/GASKINS - Buckinghamshire/Northamptonshire. GOULD - Derbyshire/Lancashire. HILL - Hampshire/Kent/Lancashire/Limerick. MARK - Buckinghamshire/Cumberland/Lancashire. WILCOX - Buckinghamshire/Northamptonshire. WITTONBROOKES/WITTENBROKE - Northamptonshire/Buckinghamshire. YATES - Canada.

KarenM
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 18:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dinie,

Do you know if Mary Jane had any siblings?

There is on the 1881 Canadian Census a Sarah Gates age 75, living with what looks like her daughter and son in law. Handley & Levina Cogswell.

If you go to the Nova Scotia BDM there is a marriage in 1866 for Levina Gates and Handley, unfortunatly it dosn't give parents name Sad

https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ResultsPage.aspx

The 1851/1852 Canadian census is available for free at

www.automatedgenealogy.com

Karen


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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

dinie
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2009

Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 20:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Karen

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I know nothing else about Mary other than what I have already posted. I know Thomas was in the Army and, according to the marriage register he came from "Ireland" - How useful is that Huh

I'll check out the information you have given me and, fingers crossed, they will be mine Roll Eyes

cheers

dinie


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J.J.
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 November 09 01:01 UTC (UK) »

To throw another wrench into it all, the name may also originate from German settlers as Gaetz Undecided


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JDC
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 November 09 13:14 UTC (UK) »

Morning Dinie,

I am unclear as to where Horton is. Is it in Nova Scotia? I am assuming Thomas was with the British (and not Irish) miltary and was transfered back to UK as you say at some point. DI she go with him?, I am assuming she did. The Canadian censuses (1851 to 1911) are available (for free) at our National Archives along with much other info. The link is: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/search-recherche/anc.php?Language=eng. I beleive that there are passenger list available for the UK arrivals, but unfortuately I don't know where. Perhaps another rootschatter here knows?
I hope this helps.

JDC


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aghadowey
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 November 09 13:22 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: JDC on Monday 02 November 09 13:14 UTC (UK)

I am unclear as to where Horton is. Is it in Nova Scotia? I am assuming Thomas was with the British (and not Irish) miltary and was transfered back to UK as you say at some point.

Ireland was actually part of the U.K. and there was not an Irish Army until after Irish independence in 1920s.


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cosmac
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 November 09 14:37 UTC (UK) »

From a google search Horton (Horton's Landing, Horton Township) are in King's County Nova Scotia.

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J.J.
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 November 09 15:52 UTC (UK) »

There is one William mentioned in Kings County Deeds Records
http://www.okcm.ca/deeds/Deed%20Records%20Kings-G.HTML#GAtes

A Mary Jane Gates is mentioned as well as a Thomas Hill - there is a cd of records from Kings County whose marriage records sate from 1864 - 1908 available here...Whether or not your couple is the final match is the thing...as those could be Birth, marriage or death details...
http://www.okcm.ca/bmd/BMD-G.HTML#GATES

ugh..that's right, you already have the marriage... sorry I get engrossed with the search and was concentrating on names...Is her ethnic origin ever stated?

I see the birth of Emily Dec 23, 1879, Curragh Camp, Kildare, Ireland on IGI... and they aren't on this list of king's county census although there is a William & a Sarah...
http://www.okcm.ca/census/Census%20Kings%201871-1901-G.HTML#Gates


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dinie
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 19:37 UTC (UK) »

Gosh I thought this one had disappeared Grin

JDG
Unfortunately I know nothing about Canadian geography and have no idea where Horton maybe, this is what was stated on the 1911 UK census. Mary did travel with Thomas but I don't know if they returned directly to the UK.

JJ
Thank you for those links, i'll certainly check them out.

My biggest problem is this couple seem to disappear from their marriage to when my GGrandmother was born in the UK in 1874. They then disappear again, I am unable to find them on 1881 or 1891 census but I found Mary with her daughter in the UK 1901 and 1911 census'.

Thomas was in the British Army and I'm beginning to think they were posted to other places but am not having much luck tracing those records either Roll Eyes

Thanks for your input everyone.


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J.J.
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 20:35 UTC (UK) »

I imagine they were in Kildare Ireland for 1881 then...as the one birth at Curragh Camp, Kildare, Ireland ..see reply #7
It was a British camp set up in Ireland...
http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/ I wonder if the free part of this site would give you enough information to go on from there......


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dinie
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2009

Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 08:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi JJ

Yes, they were in the UK in 1874 for the birth of my GGrandmother, Sarah, then Ireland for Emily. I also have two further children born in the UK in 1883 and 1886 but they seem to avoid the census' returns Sad

I'll have a look at the site you mention later.

The Kings County records you mentioned before, do they go back further than 1864? Mary was born somewhere about 1840 to 1845 according to later UK census returns. It would be nice to try and find out more about her and her family but I fear i may never do so.

Thanks again for all the info you have provided, it'll keep me busy for a while.

cheers

Dinie


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J.J.
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 19:28 UTC (UK) »

Sorry I thought I gave it to you...It's link is on this page...http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nskings/census.html
No William is listed...
Can anyone see them elsewhere in 1851.. Not the 1851 at http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/ is New Brunswick, Nova Scotia is not transcribed yet...

or...if no helpersYou can put in Nova scotia and search through the images, no index
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/1851/001005-100.01-e.html


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dinie
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2009

Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 19:35 UTC (UK) »

Thanks JJ

I'll have a search and see what I can turn up

dinie


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J.J.
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 19:37 UTC (UK) »

Province/Territory: Nova Scotia then Lower Horton....... but heads of households only ...

they don't seem to be in Halifax yet either, if this is complete....http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nshalifa/1851.html

you can try other years (definitely not complete)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nshalifa/Census.html


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purnellkid
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Re: Canadian Search Advice needed
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 07 November 09 18:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi, if you are registered with Ancestry.com, you could try Ancestry.ca


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