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Topic: Thomas DYER baptism North Sunderland please - Completed (Read 345 times)
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Penholder
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Archie & Ruby
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The Thomas DYER I'm looking for had parents called Samuel Ebenezer & Thomasine. He was age 8 in 1871. According to the Census he was born in North Sunderland, Northumberland.
Having been confused into posting my query on the Durham boards, thinking that Sunderland was in Durham I have been advised that North Sunderland really is in Northumberland! So, it now seems the most likely birth registration is at Belford in Q1 1862. This would make Thomas 9 and not 8 in 1871 - probably not significant.
If anyone could confirm if this is the right or wrong Thomas I should be very grateful.
Many thanks,
Diana
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Michael Dixon
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Diana,
It looks like him.
Belford was correct Registration District for North Sunderland.
And yes he was probably 9 yrs old rather than 8 , but so what !. If there were other Thomas Dyer birth registrations to get in the way, then it might be significant ... but the birth reg you found stands alone.
It's a pity he did not get a middle name like brother Samuel. Although there was more than Samuel Dyer registered in Plymouth in 1866,67,68 era, "Samuel Ebenezer Dyer" is a stand out!
But if you want to be really sure, then you would have to buy copy birth cert hoping to see parents Samuel/Thomasine on it.
A search of all BMDs registered with Belford from 1837 to c1930 reveals only one Dyer "event" ... Thomas's birth reg in 1862.... so you can compare that with your Dyer's profile showing ( according to their birthplaces from 1871 census -page 2117-133-29) they were hardly in the area.
Michael Dixon
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Penholder
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Hi Michael
Thank you very much for your reply. It does look as if it's probably him if he's the only DYER event in the area. I was hoping someone would be able to check a baptism for me, if one exists, to be sure about it. I don't really want to incur the costs of a birth certificate as I'm looking into this for an aunt!
Many thanks,
Diana
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Michael Dixon
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Diana,
I understand about buying/not buying certificates. My own policy is only to fork out when I am desparate for a crucial bit of info. I too look for the church baptism alternative, however there might be times when the 7 GBP is the cheaper option.
To find a baptism--- what religious denomination? where are church records held ? how do I get at them ? what's on line ? etc.
The GenUKI web site ( Northumberland section> Bamburgh Parish>Church records) shows that there were two C of E churches in 1860s ( Parish church St Aidan's in Bamburgh and St Paul's in North Sunderland) and a Presbyterian church in N.S..
Roman Catholics and other deniminations in N.S. would have travelled outside the area of Bamburgh parish to get a "their" church.
Also Belford Parish Church was in a neighbouring parish, N.S. was slightly nearer to Belford than Bamburgh, so this is another alternative.
Although Newcastle Library has abbreviated indexes of baptisms for the above, they do not cover a period as " modern " as 1860s.
The fairly-newly available on line Durham Bishop's Transcripts ( of church records) is within the FamilySearch web site, but again I do not think Bamburgh is covered up to include 1860s.
So that leaves us with the main source of Northumberland church records..
i.e. The County record Office situated at Woodhorn, near Ashington. (Open Wed-Sun).
Throw the option back to your Aunt !
Michael Dixon
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Hi Michael
I know it's a big ask! Fairly sure it would be a C of E baptism. I'm in London and my Aunt is on the south coast and neither of us is likely to be making a trip north anytime soon. I will see what she says about buying a birth certificate, but I'm fairly sure she won't want to.
Many thanks for all your help.
Diana
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I'm off to Woodhorn on Friday - let me know if you want me to look
Christine
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Hi Christine
If you are able to look for me I should be extremely grateful. Please don't spend too much time on it though!
What/where is Woodhorn by the way?
Regards,
Diana
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c-side
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Woodhorn used to be a colliery and is now a museum and, as Michael said, it houses the Northumberland archives.
Don't worry about time - I'm taking my 'trainee' cousin and will need something to do while she is researching!
Christine
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c-side
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Here you are -
Thomas Dyer was baptised at St. Paul’s C of E Church on 20th February 1862
Parents Samuel Ebenezer and Thomasine Hambly** (** could be ‘on’, ‘se’ or ‘m’)
Abode Fern Island (possibly Farne Island). Father’s occupation Light Keeper.
Also just a few months earlier on 29th September 1861 the baptism of
Tiney Angelina Grace Darling Dyer
Parents Samuel Ebenezer and Thomasine Emily. Abode and occupation the same as above.
Just in case you didn’t know, Grace Darling is a local heroine - she has a museum in Bamburgh.
Christine
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Michael Dixon
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Well done, Christine !
And a nice slice of history for you Diana.
As Christine points out, Grace Darling and her dad performed heroics in 1838.
The Farne Islands ( maybe 20 of them) lay/lie just north east of Bamburgh. The island nearest the coast is Inner Farne ( also called House Island or just Farne Island).
Grace's father was lighthouse keeper on Brownsman Island then Longstone Island, outer lying islands.
The Dyers tended the light house on Inner Farne.
This is the island where St Cuthbert, the patron saint of Northumberland lived and died. When Vikings were pillaging in the area, monks took his body to Durham Cathedral. They rested in Bedlington ( cross in the market place marks the spot) And I don't have to tell you to which saint , Bedlington parish church is dedicated !
If ever on a train north of Newcastle to Berwick or Edinburgh, sit on the right side facing the engine, and you see the islands.
Google for lots more !
Michael Dixon
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Hi Christine
Many thanks indeed for finding all that out for me. I'm so grateful and I'm sure my aunt will be too.
I think Thomasine's second name was Hamlyn. That's what the marriage registration says and it's a name I've met quite a bit in the West country, which is where they all came from. Just to confuse though her death registration says Hamley. If I can ever search anything out for you down here in London to return the favour just ask!
Best wishes,
Diana
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Hi Michael
Thank you too for your help and all the extra information. I'll have to find a reason to visit Northumberland one day as it sounds as if there would be lots to do and see.
It seems a strange co-incidence that Tiney was named after Grace Darling before her father went off to tend the lighthouse. I will have to see if he was maybe a lighthouse keeper elsewhere before the Farne Islands.
Also, my offer to Christine stands for you too if I can ever return the favour by looking things up in London. I'm only a few miles away from Kew and seem to go there fairly regularly at the moment.
Diana
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c-side
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I suspect, Diana, that the Grace Darling bit was probably added to Tiney's name at the baptism. She was obviously born some time before the christening but by September 1861 her father was already the lighthouse keeper.
It would be interesting to see what names she was given at registration.
Christine
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Michael Dixon
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Dtr was registered within Plymouth Reg District, Dec Qtr 1860 with same four personal names. ( Tiney could be Liney ?)
Although She was born Plymouth area, it is possible that family had been on Farne Islands well before her birth. ( A lighthouse keeper's wife would.nt be short of a lift down to Plymouth, and back again)
Another ( and more thorough) look at the 1861 census ( 3883-79-pages 1 and 2) shows three keepers on Inner Farne ( nearest Bamburgh) and two keepers in the Outer Farnes.... your Sam.E.Dyer and a William DARLING with his large family !!!
Michael
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Michael Dixon
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For A-Z of lighthouses, keepers etc, go to
www.genuki.org.uk/big/Lighthouses/index.html
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