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Topic: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc. (Read 1746 times)
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KirstyG
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Memorial Inscriptions ?
I'm off to bed. Pick this up again tomorrow if you still want help. 
Goodnight
Kirsty
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MonicaLesl
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Kirsty, from the info you posted on censuses for the Galloways, Martha, mother, looks to have been born in Old Luce. This looks a possible for her christening - under McClieve:
MARTHA MCCLIEVE Christening on 13 FEB 1782 in Old Luce, Wigtown
Parents: DAVID MCCLIEVE and GRACE MCMILLAN
Apart from Martha, other children showing to parents David and Grace:
1. ANDREW MCCLIEVE Christening: 15 MAR 1780
2. PETER MCCLIEVE Christening: 12 FEB 1784
3. JEAN MCCLIEVE Christening: 22 AUG 1788
4. DAVID MCCLIEVE Christening: 26 NOV 1790
5. JAMES MCCLIEVEChristening: 04 MAR 1793 Old Luce
6. ANTHONY MCCLIEVE Christening: 07 MAY 1800
Submitted entry for parents' marriage on IGI:
GRACE MC MILLAN and DAVID MC CLIEVE Marriage on 27 JUN 1779 in Old Luce, Wigtown
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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For David Galloway, father of Grace, husband of Martha, there is this submitted entry on IGI (may show on SP?):
David Galloway Birth: 09 JUN 1782 Of Muniloch, Wigtown/ Christening:11 JUN 1782 Kirkmaiden, Wigtown
Parents: William Galloway and Elizabeth McKissock
Marriages: Martha McCleave
Monica
Added: Just noticed, this David's parents' names (William/Elizabeth), don't show on the list of names of children we have for David and Martha so perhaps a question mark on this entry?
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Just checked the OPRs for the children of David and Martha. Kirsty, the two submitted entries you found for addtional children were correct:
23/10/1811 GALLOWAY PETER to DAVID GALLOWAY/MARTHA CLEAVE in Kirkmaiden
02/04/1813 GALLOWAY MARGARET to DAVID GALLOWAY/MARTHA MCCLEAVE in Kirkmaiden
Not knowing when they married, nothing shows on the OPRs, we are probably missing the early born children.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Back to the Mclellans for a bit, and Samuel....
Abiam, was Samuel's father also called Samuel? This entry would fit for birth/christining (can't tell what it is from the OPR index):
10/05/1810 CLELLAN SAMUEL to SAMUEL CLELLAN/ROSANNA DONNAN in New Luce
As Dave said, from your earlier post on Samuel's mother, Donnan it was
Rosanna/Anna would also fit with above, the death cert you have, and the name of Samuel and Grace's daughter Rosanna b. 1842.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Two other children showing on IGI to Samuel and Rosanna:
1. ANDREW CLELLAN Christening: 27 APR 1806 New Luce
3. ELIZABETH MCCLELLAN Christening: 01 FEB 1804 New Luce
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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daval57
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It's an interesting point Monica... this business of a name being recorded without the Mc prefix.
I've got a few where I've misplaced some of the family. McLelland, McAllister etc. Whilst I've tried numerous variants, I've never looked for Clelland or Allister etc.
Worth a shot.
Off to have a look for some of mine. 
Dave
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Abiam
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I have James McClelland born about 1846 at Inch on the 1851. His father is Samuel 34 and mother is Grace 30
James is one of 6 children:
John 13, David 10, Rasanna 8, James 5 Samuel 5 and Grace 2
I have the birth of Grace Galloway 4/7/1816 Old Luce or Glenluce
Her marriage to Samuel McClellan 7/11/1837 Old Luce or Glenluce
The death of Samuel McLelland in Inch 13/7/1894 McCullock Place, London Road, Inch
His parents (deceased) are Samuel McLelland and Anne Donnan
So the Rosanna Donnan fits nicely.
I can prove that James McLellan born 1845 (and married to Agnes McCormack)is the son of Samuel and Grace I have the cert. Samuel married Grace Galloway ( I have The OPR cert which doesn't have parents or witnesses)
but I still can't see how to prove Grace is the right one.
I don't know how to prove I have the right Grace
Abiam
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KirstyG
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What does the marriage entry say with regard to the parishes? Is Grace "of this parish"?
Kirsty
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KirstyG
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The only other ( expensive) thing I can think of is a process of elimination, going through all the deaths of Grace Galloways on SP and checking the parents names. There are not that many...
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Abiam
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Samuel McLellan and Grace Galloway both in Gillespie were legally proclaimed before this congregation in order to marriage and no objections being offered they were accordingly married at Gillespie upon 13th November 1837.
That is all it says! Gillespie appears to be in Wigtown. Five units to see the same as you can see for one unit!
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
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KirstyG
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Gillespie is in Glenluce. The Marriage entry and the 1851 census both list Grace as coming from Glenluce, so I think that is as good a confirmation as you are likely to get that the Grace born 1816 in Old Luce parish is the one who married Samuel McLellan.
Kirsty
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Abiam
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so you really think she's my Grace not yours?
Thank you I am not going mad!
I have sent you an email,
Good luck.
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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KirstyG
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Yes, I think she is your Grace and not mine! 
Still no clue what happened to mine though, she may have died before 1855 or not in Scotland I suppose.
So where do you go next?
David Galloway may have survived past 1855, so you might be able to get his death certificate, and hope it has parents names this time!
Kirsty
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Abiam
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I think a little rest is in order! And of course there is still the other side The McCormacks - but not today. I do hope you will find your Grace Galloway.
Good luck, 
Abiam
You did get the email?
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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