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Topic: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc. (Read 1747 times)
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KirstyG
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Yes but I couldn't read it very well. My eyes are feeling the strain today, i'm feeling a bit under the weather so I think I shall try again another time.
Good luck with the hunt!
Kirsty
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Abiam
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I am feeling so embarrassed!! 
Today putting all the census and BMD's for this family in order. I happened to look at a marriage certificate and discovered that all your hard work on this thread was in vain. As were the costs involved in purchasing the relevant documents from SP. And it is all my fault!
The quote below is from the very first message:
"I feel this is an impossible search! How do you search for a James Mc..........
when there are so many variations? This name is worse than Smith in England at least there are only two versions of that name.
If there is an expert on Mc......'s out there the person I am looking for is James Mclellan married in the parish of Glasserton in the county of Wigtownshire at a place called Craigdan? His name is spelt McClelland but his daughter's birth certificate says McLellan. I am wanting to find his birth."
McLellan was not the problem! The father's name is JOHN McLelland and the wife is Mary Stewart on the daughter's marriage certificate. I have been through the IGI for Ayrshire, every parish available, but the latest they reach 1875.
I think I have the Marriage cert for her parents which shows:
John McClumpha McClelland (Ploughman and living at Barrhill or Barnhill) and Mary Stewart (20 and living at Knockdolian, Colmwell?) married 25 November 1890 in the parish of Girvan in the county of Ayr. But I notice a C before Lelland!
John is 21 and his father is William McClelland (another ploughman) and his mother is Mary McClumpha
Witnesses: John Murray and Frances Milligan
Joseph Ferguson married Evelyn McLelland 18 Jul 1913 at Burnton, Dalrymple in the county of Ayr.
His parents were John (actually James) Ferguson and Christina Shea
Her parents were JOHN McLelland (Ploughman) and Mary Stewart
Witnesses Isabella McLelland and John Kirkwood.
There are 2 births for an Evelyn McLellan and both have the parents that we followed in error. They are in 1892 and 1890.
Please can someone help me find the answer to this problem?
Regards,
Abiam
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KirstyG
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Yikes 
So working backwards from the people you are sure of...
You want to know details of Evelyn McLelland who married Joseph Ferguson in 1913 in Ayr, but the parent names on the births you have found don't match what was put on the marriage certificate?
Have I got that right?
Kirsty
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Abiam
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Yes! Yikes is appropriate.
And yes the only thing I can be sure of is from the marriage cert
Joseph Ferguson = Evelyn McLelland 31 Jul 1913 Dalrymple Ayr
And there is a possible marriage for Evelyn's parents 1890 in Girvan.
A case of how to lose 4 or 5 generations on a Monday morning!
Hope you can help,
Cheers Abiam
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KirstyG
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Isabella McLelland who was witness at their wedding could be a sister or a cousin I suppose. Have you tried to find her? If she was a sister it could help confirm the parents.
Do you have Evelyn in the 1901 census?
Kirsty
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Abiam
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Hi Kirsty,
This is driving me mad! I can only find Evelyn on the 1901 census with parents James and Agnes.
The only Isabella on the 1901 has parents William and Jane
Just been googling but can't come up with anything. I did try Free cen but they don't have the 1901.
Where was Evelyn Mc Lellan/McLelland/McClelland born? I don't know where else to look!
Abiam
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KirstyG
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Have you tried looking for deaths of Evelyn M*lellan* on SP? There is one showing in 1823, giving a birth year of 1887!!!? Could be her married name of course.
The other option is that Evelyn was illegitimate and made up the parents names, or used grandparents, or her parents just never married.
Do you know any more about her later life? Did she have children and if so what were their names, did they follow tradition?
Have you checked the 1891 census for her possible parents?
Does the 1901 census match the 1890 birth or the 1892 birth? I couldn't see a death between 1890 and 1900 for a young Evelyn. I had wondered if one died and the parents named the second girl the same name?
so many questions...
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KirstyG
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One other option.
Maybe Evelyn wasn't born in Scotland!
Kirsty
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Abiam
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And so few answers! Will go over what I have checked and get back. Thanks for taking an interest,
Abiam
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Abiam and Kirsty 
Not sure if I am going to help, I think more likely raise more questions.
Abiam, from the details you show for Evelyn's parents:
I think I have the Marriage cert for her parents which shows:
John McClumpha McClelland (Ploughman and living at Barrhill or Barnhill) and Mary Stewart (20 and living at Knockdolian, Colmwell?) married 25 November 1890 in the parish of Girvan in the county of Ayr. But I notice a C before Lelland!
John is 21 and his father is William McClelland (another ploughman) and his mother is Mary McClumpha
I think John was likely to be illegitimate. This looks a possible birth entry from IGI:
JOHN MCCLUMPHA Birth: 04 AUG 1869 Whithorn, Wigtown, Scotland
Parents: MARY MCCLUMPHA
From the marriage you have in Girvan in late 1890, I think this might be the family of John and Mary (Stewart) in 1901, with a corresponding birth place for John:
John McClelland 31, ploughman, b. Whithorn, Wigtown
Mary McClelland 30, b. Girvan
Elizabeth McClelland 9, b. Girvan
Mary McClelland 7, b. Girvan
William McClelland 4, b. Kirkoswald, Ayrshire
Isabella McClelland 2. b. Maybole, Ayrshire
Address: High Milton Cothouse, Maybole Ayrshire
A check on any of the children's birth certs above would let you confirm mother's maiden name/marriage date to make sure it is the right couple.
What was Evelyn's age at marriage?
Could the Isabella above, age 2 in 1901, have been one of the witnesses at the marriage in 1913?
And where was Evelyn in 1901?
Monica
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Abiam
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Hello Monica and Kirsty,
First what I know about Evelyn:
Married Joseph Ferguson 18 Jul 1913 Dalrymple Ayreshire.
Three children:
Evelyn Ferguson born Dec 1912 Dalrymple Ayreshire believed to illegitimate
James Ferguson born 1913 Dreghorn Army Barracks N Ayrshire
John Mclellan Ferguson born 1815 Kirkoswald Ayreshire
Joseph her husband died in 1917 (war)
Evelyn remarried in 1925 to James McKendrie and they had two daughters.
One called Jessie and another Evelyn Mclellan McKendrie.
The only Evelyn Mclellan I can find in the 1891 (6 months) census is daughter to James and Agnes. I'm sure I found her on the 1901 aged 10 and they were still at Camlachie Glasgow.
I'm sure you have it right Monica but I haven't had a chance to read it properly and my eyes are on stalks! I have been looking for David and Isabella Stewart in the 1901 census most of this evening. Found only 3 possibles but have to get to bed!
G'night speak tomorrow,
Abiam
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MonicaLesl
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HI Abiam
Struggling with the 1901 entry, but this looks like David and Isabella (Milligan) Stewart in 1891:
David Stuart 60, Agricultural Labourer, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Isabella Stuart 48, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Address: Cauldshore, Girvan
This fits well with the family's 1871 entry:
David Stewart 40, ploughman, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Isabella Stewart 28, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Alexander Stewart 5, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Jane Stewart 2, b. Dalrymple, Ayrshire
Mary Stewart5 Months, b. Girvan, Ayrshire
Address:Shallochpark, Girvan
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Abiam
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That looks good but I need to sort out the first part I have written out what I think we have - ready for corrections 
Last night all was clear! This morning?
We have Evelyn Mclellan born 1892 (according to Mar. Cert.) where?
Father John McClumpha born 1869 Whithorn, Wigtown to Mary McClumpha and William McClellan (but no marriage?)
Marriage of John McClumpha McClelland to Mary Stewart 25 Nov 1890 in Girvan
Parents of John – William McClelland and Mary McClumpha
Parents of Mary Stewart – David Stewart and Isabella Milligan
In 1901 John and Mary have 4 children (cert of one shows Mary Stewart is the mother)
In 1891 Evelyn (few months) and 1901 Evelyn is 10 yrs old with parents James and Agnes and siblings at Police buildings Camlachie Glasgow. Could she have been taken in by James and Agnes and they registered her as their own? We have that certificate but cannot find one for her with parents John and Mary. Could James be John's brother?
Or could she be with Grandparents?
Have I got this straight? I am feeling confused!
Abiam
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KirstyG
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Did you say you had found 2 births in the 1890s for Evelyns? If so was one of them to a James and Agnes? It might simply be that there were 2 of them. They might even be related as you suggest.
Have you found her 2 sets of grandparents in the census records to check she is not with them, but mistranscribed?
Kirsty
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Abiam
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Morning,
There is an Evelyn Janet in the 1891 age 11 parents are Robert and Agnes
Evelyn born 1890 to James and Agnes
1891 Evelyn 6mths with James and Agnes
1901 Evelyn 10 with James and Agnes
Eveln is not with grandparents David and Isabella I have the family through from '71 to '01
Have yet to find the other Grandparents,
Will keep looking,
Abiam
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