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Topic: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc. (Read 1798 times)
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Abiam
What was Evelyn's age at marriage in 1913?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Abiam
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Mar. cert says 21, sorry meant to put that in last night.
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Abiam
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I have found William and Mary's marriage on the IGI 2 Mar 1871 and David and Isabella's marriage 13 Jan 1866 Straiton Ayrshire. Have also followed David and Isabella through on the census from '71 to '01. Now trying to sort William and Mary on the census,
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Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
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MonicaLesl
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Just a thought 
If you have Evelyn, on both her marriage certs showing parents as John and Mary (Stewart) and no sign of her on the censuses following her parents marriage in 1890, could Evelyn actually be the Elizabeth, age 9 and born in Girvan, who shows in the 1901 Census with parents. Age would fit for her marriage in 1913. Could Evelyn have been a middle name for Elizabeth I wonder.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Abiam
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Sorry, I don't understand. There is only one marriage certificate and that shows John McClelland and Mary Stewart as her parents. It was my original mistake of looking for James Mclellan that led to us looking at James McClelland and Agnes McCormack.
Elizabeth? I do see what you mean. I have just put them all on a tree and it shows clearly that they were both born 1892. And there is no birth cert for an Evelyn! I could get the birth cert for Elizabeth but we have nothing to compare it with ie. date or month. What do you think?
The only thing I find strange is that Evelyn/Elizabeth had a supposedly illegitimate baby called Evelyn and when she remarried she called one of those children Evelyn McClellan. It's all very odd!
I have a scavenger hunt going on at the moment where several of the people were called different names to the ones they were christened with. Maybe that did happen here............
abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Abiam
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Well 
I just got William Mclelland and Mary McClumpha's marriage cert and William is James brother!!! They have the same parents Samuel McClelland and Grace Galloway!
So all the work we did on my "error" last time was not in vain. That was a surprise,
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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KirstyG
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Wow. So we were looking at the right family all the time. It is a small world! 
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Abiam
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Just going to explain this so that I can see it clearly
Eveln McClelland Born 1892 Parents John McClumpha McClelland and Mary Stewart
John McClumpha McLelland Born abt 1870
is son of William Mclelland Born 1853 and Mary McClumpha (John their first of eleven children!)
William McClelland
is the son of Samuel McClelland and Grace Galloway
James McClelland Born 1845 is also a son Samuel McClelland and Grace Galloway
Making William and James brothers
There is also an Evelyn born to James and wife Agnes McClelland Born 1890
If the two families were close maybe that's why John and Mary's Evelyn took on the name Elizabeth
I hope that all makes sense,
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Rosslyn
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My aplogies to all, I am new to this website and need to contact Abiam regarding a post from 2007 and am not sure how to start.
This was about Clara Dobson who married Perc Hurren. Perc Hurren was my maternal grandfather's brother.
Abiam I would love to contact you as I can give you some information.
Kind regards
Ros
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England:
EMERY (Surrey), HURREN (Suffolk?), MORAN,
NUTLEY (Wiltshire), STAGG (Wiltshire), WARREN
Guernsey: Le GALLEZ, ROBILLIARD, HENRY, MARIETTE,
BREHAUT, LANGLOIS, CORBIN, BROUARD, GALLIENNE
Australia & Prussia:
DOHNT, LANGE, DRABSCH, KERZWEG,
MATTSCHOSS, SCHMIDT, NEUMANN
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KirstyG
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HI Ros, welcome to Rootschat!
You can either press the reply button to post a message on the original thread (unless it has been locked), or wait until you have made 3 posting to use the Private message service.
Abiam, are you 100% sure that the James son of Samuel and Grace is the same person who had a daughter Evelyn with Agnes? Have you viewed a marriage certificate with the names on it?
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
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Abiam
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Firstly Rosslyn,
You will have to make 2 more posts (as KirstyG said) and then you can send me a Personal message. I would send you a PM but same rule applies! I will put a message about the Dobson's on the Berkshire board and then you can reply to that.
KirstyG,
Hi,
Yes, I am sure. I have a birth certificate from SP for Evelyn McClelland 12 Oct 1890 Parents James McClelland (Police Constable) and Agnes (MS) McCormack district of Camlachie, Glasgow. (Not my Evelyn cannot find a cert for her birth)
Also I have the marriage certificate from SP of James McClelland (farm servant)and Agnes McCormack ( Domestic Servant) 10 Jul 1868 at Glasserton, County of Wigtown. Parents Samuel McClellan and Grace Galloway.
And the marriage cert of William McClelland (farm servant) and Mary McClumpha (domestic servant) 3 Jan 1871
Parents Samuel McClelland and Grace Galloway Whithorn Wigtown.
The Evelyn I'm looking for is the daughter of William and Mary not James and Agnes and that is because William and Mary are her parents on her marriage cert to Joseph Ferguson in 1913.
Samuel and Grace
William 1850 and Mary James 1845 and Agnes
John 1869 (Illegit?) Evelyn 1890 (last child)
Evelyn 1892
I do hope I have explained it properly! It is very complicated.
If I've got this wrong I think I'll give up!
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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KirstyG
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It's great that you have managed to match up the families, it's just such a puzzle as to Evelyn's birth.
I couldn't remember if you have Evelyn's Death certificate? If so does it have any information of use on it?
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
Anderson, Nicholson, Crombie, MacDonald
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Abiam
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Hi,
No I don't have her death cert, she married again to James McKendrie. Do ypu think it might be worth it?
Cheers Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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KirstyG
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It might just help to confirm her age, sometimes you get lucky with the informant knowing a lot of correct details.
There is a probable match on SP, Ev* Mckendrie, mother's maiden name Stewart, birth 1890+/- 3 yrs
1987 Glasgow. looks like she lived to a ripe old age if it is her.
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
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Abiam
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That's her! The friend I am doing this for said 1987 but as she knows so little I thought she had it wrong! I had a quick look on SP but couldn't find her. Will have another go and let you know,
Cheers,
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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