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llama llady
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Hi Neil and Martin,
Thank you both for the information, it is certainly a lot to tell the family.  One last thing you may be able to help me with. Benjamin’s son William Gilbert is listed on the 1851 census as, “ A soldier” followed by 6th then something illegible that could be dragoons. Is it likely that a son would have followed his father into the same regiment?
Thank you again for your help,
Louise
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Martin Aaron
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Hi Louise
Short answer - yes!
Many children "born into the regiment" joined as soon as they were old enough.
Martin
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Deb D
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Hi Martin,
I don't know whether I've been looking in the wrong places ... but I can't figure out whether the 4th Light Dragoons were at Waterloo?
My 3xgt grandfather, James Dixon - possibly James John, or John James - (b. "St Andrew, London" on 1841 Census, which gives his birth at around 1790), was an officer with the 4th, and there's a problem with the date he became an officer (1809 or 1819?) . Therefore I have no idea whether he was even old enough to have been at this battle.
Any sign of him in your lists?
Cheers, Deb
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I live in Sydney, Australia, and I'm researching: -
Powell
Tatham
Dunbar
Dixon
Mackwood
Kinnear
Mitchell
Morgan
Delves
Anderson
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Martin Aaron
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Hi Deb
No, the 4th Light Dragoons were not at Waterloo.
Regards
Martin
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llama llady
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Thanks for your help Martin,
Louise.
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shieldhall
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I have an ancestor Alexander Campbell born Tyree c1772 married to Catherine McLean. Her death certificate says he was soldier in 79th Reg of Foot. He is not in 1841 census but she is listed as an annuitant. Someone says they read on a message board that he was killed at Waterloo. Is there any way to confirm this.
Thanks
Martin
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arkay
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Hi Martin,
Joseph Bastow (b. 1789, Yorkshire) was a Private in the Household Cavalry Royal Regiment of Horse Guards, serving in Captain J. Thoyt's Troop at the Battle of Waterloo. When he retired, he converted a few houses in Meltham, Yorks into a public house called "The Life Guardsman". He was also a boot and shoemaker. He was married to Hannah Wilson and later to Martha Pearson and had 15 children in total (how did he have the time or energy!!).
Do you have any further info about him (dates, etc.)?
Arkay
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Travis, Earnshaw, Wild, Hibbert, Warren, Leech - Ashton-under-Lyne
Mills - Middleton
Pryce, Evans - Welshpool, Mgy, Wales
Davies - Criggion, Shropshire
Whittaker, Evans, Benussi - Liverpool
Price, Whittaker - Great Crosby
Atherton - Frodsham, Cheshire
Riley - Huddersfield area, Yorkshire
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Martin Aaron
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Hello, I'm afraid I still have really mastered RootsChat and how to post separate replies so here goes for both of you! Apologies!
First, there were 3 men named Alexander Campbell in the 79th at Waterloo. One was killed in the battle, one died of his wounds on 11th September (nearly 3 months later) and one was wounded but survived. There is a man of this name on the discharge lists (WO97) but with such a common name (there were dozens of Campbells in the 79th) I would hesitate to say with any certainty that this is your man. Worth a look though perhaps.
Worse still for Private Bastow I'm sorry to say - I don't have any other personal details. His troop (Thoyt's)suffered the worst casualties of the Blues with 20 killed or missing from a nominal strength of 77.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Martin
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arkay
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Don't worry, Martin. At least I now know the approximate number in his troop, how many were killed or missing and that they were called the "Blues", which is more than I knew before!
Thank you.
Arkay
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Travis, Earnshaw, Wild, Hibbert, Warren, Leech - Ashton-under-Lyne
Mills - Middleton
Pryce, Evans - Welshpool, Mgy, Wales
Davies - Criggion, Shropshire
Whittaker, Evans, Benussi - Liverpool
Price, Whittaker - Great Crosby
Atherton - Frodsham, Cheshire
Riley - Huddersfield area, Yorkshire
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shieldhall
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Thanks for the quick response. Do you think there is significance in the fact his widow received an annuity. He was I believe a private.
Martin K
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Phil Goater
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Hi Martin,
My 3 x great grandfather William Langdale was a corporal in the 11th Light Dragoons and stood around at Waterloo. I found him on the list at the national archives and also on this web page :
http://valmayukuk.tripod.com/britishfamily/id19.html which lists quite a few more participants.
William's children were born at locations which mirror the movements of his regiment - Canterbury, Paris and Meerut - and he left a will when he died in 1830 as a serjeant in the regiment at Cawnpore in India (which I obtained from the National Archives).
I know his wife's name was Jane but haven't a clue where he or she originated or Jane's maiden name. Any further information would be very welcome.
Phil
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Martin Aaron
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Martin K
All combatants in the Waterloo campaign received prize money - for Privates this was £2-11-4, a tidy sum in those days. In the case of men killed the money was passed to next of kin. Correspondence regarding these payments can be found at Kew in the WO164 series.
All the best
Martin A
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Martin Aaron
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Phil
Sorry I have no personal details on your man. Intersting you should say he "stood around at Waterloo"! The 11th were indeed only lightly engaged and lost only 6 men from a nominal strength of 443.
William was one of 4 Corporals in Schrieber's Troop which lost 3 men killed - 2 Privates and Lieutenant Edward Phelips.
William would doubtless have served in the Peninsula - the 11th seeing action at Salamanca and the retreat from Burgos.
In 1819 the Regiment was posted to India where it stayed until 1838. In 1826 the 11th took part in the siege of Bhurtpore.
Hope this is of interest, sorry I don't have more detail.
Regards
Martin
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thoyts
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In reply to Arkay, I am a descendant of Capt Thoyts and have done a bit of digging into the events of 18/6/15. The RHG were supposed to have been in reserve when the Household Brigade went into action, but seem to have got somewhat carried away. Attacking around La Haye Sainte, Capt Thoyts' troop as far as I can tell engaged the 1st Brigade, 1st Division, 1st Corps of the L'Armee du Nord to the West of the farm. Initially successful, indeed there is a second hand family record of a captured Eagle (either the 54th or 28th Line), they were counter charged by French cuirassiers (probably 2nd brigade, 13th cavalry division) and a number were captured, including Capt Thoyts. If an Eagle was taken, it was recaptured pretty smartish and the RHG survivors were herded to the rear. Capt Thoyts escaped in the general confusion after the battle (I have seen the location given as either Genappe or Charleroi, the former is plausible, the latter is not unless the escape was not until the following day at least). His promotion to Major was dated 18th June, however the casualty returns for the day list him as missing which does not quite square. It is probable as an officer he was held separately from the men and the fate of the troopers captured alongside him is not known. Incidentally 20 killed and missing from 77 can be considered light in comparison to the 50%+ loss of many of the British heavy cavalry units. The family accounts are all second hand and do not mention other officers or men of the Regiment unfortunately.
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