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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 25 July 09 15:57 UTC (UK) »

Nice work!  I'll have to print it all out and have a look over it.

I think I've just tracked him down in the 1881 census.  A lazy census man has only recorded the first initial.  Check out: Class: RG11; Piece: 351; Folio: 93; Page: 19; Line:  ; GSU roll: 1341076.
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 25 July 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »

Well spotted - that's definitely Alfred and family in Farringdon Buildings in 1881. Alfred is a Pocket Book and Leather Case Maker born  St Luke's - ties in nicely with 1871.

BTW "Henry" James Carvell is still listed at the Ship in the 1905 PO Directory. He's wasn't there in 1895.
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 25 July 09 16:27 UTC (UK) »

Excellent - it's all coming together!

Edwin and Isabella both died before the 1911 census - Edwin in 1910 and Isabella in 1908 (IIRC).  I did have a quick go on the 1911 census at trying to find out what happened to the pub, but couldn't find the address, and it costs a fortune to keep looking at all the data!

I've just had a quick look for the marriage between Elizabeth and Alfred (parents of edwin) on freebmd and I reckon I've got a decent match there too, good stuff!
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 25 July 09 16:36 UTC (UK) »

I think the pub had probably gone by 1911. From the street directories it looks like the premises were taken over by W. Crouch and Co, cycle enamellers.
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Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 25 July 09 17:14 UTC (UK) »

I see.  Could you tell me which records you're using to get that info and where I might be able to find it?  It'd be nice to have a printout of the pub record - ancestry.co.uk only seems to have it in the 1902 phone book.
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 26 July 09 09:51 UTC (UK) »

Just looked in the 1910 PO Directory which has a Robert Hobson at the Ship at number 15.

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Could you tell me which records you're using to get that info and where I might be able to find it?

I have a number of old London Post Office Directories in my personal collection.

Others can be found on the excellent Historical Directories site http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp which is free.
 
The Genealogist subscription service also has  some London directories http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/

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Angell - Norfolk/Cambridgeshire c.1780
Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
carvell
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 26 July 09 10:52 UTC (UK) »

That is a good site indeed - I've managed to get PO records in pdf form for 1895, 1899, 1910, 1914, 1915.

It is still a bit of a mystery as to why throughout all the years it's listed as being at number 15, whereas the 1901 census states number 14.  Even the 1899 record (before the census) shows it as number 15 in the PO directory.

When the cycle enamlers came along they were listed as number 13 and 14, so perhaps the pub stayed next door, just unoccupied.
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 26 July 09 11:12 UTC (UK) »

Yes the numbering is inconsistent. The pub is at number 14 in the censuses up to and including 1901, and at number 15 in the Post Office Directories from 1895 on or possibly earlier (it was still numbered 14 in 1882).

You might find something about Edwin/Henry in the licensing records at LMA http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/C03B7200-993B-42B5-8AA6-F5D666D928B9/0/licensed_victuallers.PDF
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Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 26 July 09 11:13 UTC (UK) »

Link to LMA leaflet http://217.154.230.218/NR/rdonlyres/406638E7-A3EC-417F-B87D-D34A5CD8BD89/0/Infono3.pdf
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Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
carvell
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 26 July 09 12:20 UTC (UK) »

Excellent, I'll have to look into it.

I've now found out that the street was renamed (presumably because there's were loads of different berkley streets, and it'd be confusing in modern times) to Briset Street, confirmed by looking at old maps.

I went onto Google Street View with very high hopes of seeing a pub, but all I saw was a block of flats - d'oh!
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Re: Pub - 1900 - Finsbury Park
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 26 July 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »

It was somewhere very close to where Francis Rowley Court is today.
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Angell - Norfolk/Cambridgeshire c.1780
Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
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