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Torrie
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Livingstone
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Hello!
I am a new member and I was wondering how to go about finding information connecting my greatgrandmother Beatrice (maiden name) Livingstone with my "supposed" relative Dr. David Livingstone.
Beatrice was born in Port Bannatyne, Scottland in 1887 however I only know that her father's name is Duncan Livingstone and mother's name is Elizabeth.
However I canfind no other information on Duncan and Elizabeth
any help would be great!
Torrie
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Torrie
This looks to be the family's 1891 census entry:
Duncan Livingstone 52, fisherman, b. Morven, Argyllshire
Betsy Livingstone 32, b. Morven, Argyllshire
Peter Livingstone 14, b. Airdlamont, Argyllshire
Isabella Livingstone 13, b. Airdlamont, Argyllshire
Alexander Livingstone 10, b. Airdlamont, Argyllshire
John Livingstone 8, b. Airdlamont, Argyllshire
Janet Livingstone 8, b. Airdlamont, Argyllshire
Duncan Livingstone 6, b. Airdlamont, Argyllshire
Beatrice Livingstone 3, b. Port Bannatyne, Buteshire
Catherine Livingstone 1, b. Port Bannatyne, Buteshire
John Livingstone 48, brother, fisherman, b. Morven, Argyllshire
Address: Salizbury Pl., North Bute
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Torrie
A good way for you to further research is to look for Beatrice's birth certificate to confirm mother's maiden name. From that, you will be able to search for Duncan and Elizabeth's marriage cert. which will include full details of their parents' names and so on.
BMDs are available to view on line at Scotlands People at v. reasonable charges (£1.20GB per image).
Have a look at these help notes here on RootsChat for background and advice notes on Scottish Research:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
Re Dr David Livingstone, he was a Blantyre boy born in 1813. You may need to delve much further back to see whether any connections can be made.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bets
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Hi Monica,
Torrie's Mom here. We know thru family (unfortunately deceased) that David is a cousin...possible 2nd to my grandmother Beatrice.
The Port Bannatyne, Beatrice, Catherine, John would be her family.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Bets
Welcome also to RootsChat!
I'm just trying to think how you can make your connections. You have Duncan and Elizabeth as parents to Beatrice and the family's 1891 entry showing where everyone was born.
Dr David Livingstone is at least two generations up from Beatrice I would say, so gg uncle rather cousin perhaps. There's plenty on Dr Livingstone's family and genealogy on line to let you check what the links there could be to your family. You need to go back on Duncan and brother John's lines first to give you the details I would think.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Torrie
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hi!
Thanks for the great info!!!!!
I went to the Scotland's people website and search for Beatrice's birth certificate. The search came back with one result but before I can look at it I have to pay a fee. But I'm concerned that it may not be the right one, as I can't look to confirm...
any suggestion???
Torrie
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Torrie
When you are searching for certificates, unfortunately it is one of those things that you can't be a 100% certain until you look and are able to verify the information that is one there. We all can make mistakes when searching for certificates (in my early days of researching I made lots of mistakes hunting my MacDonald ancestors in the Highlands, I could have wallpapered a room with my wrong certs!).
In the case of Beatrice's birth cert, as you say, there is only one showing in the area and period that you are looking at. So, you have to make informed guesses with the information you have and hope it is the right one Once you view it, you will quickly establish whether it is the right one from the parents' information contained there.
I have just been working through some possible census entries for Duncan Livingstone which I will post separately.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Firstly, this is the family in 1901:
Duncan Livingstone 64, fisherman, b. Morvern
Betsy Livingstone 44, b. Kilfinan
John Livingstone 18, b. Kilfinan
Duncan Livingstone 16, b. Kilfinan
Beatrice Livingstone 13, b. North Bute
Catherine Livingstone 11, b. North Bute
Allan Livingstone 3, b. North Bute
John Livingstone 62, fisherman, b. Morvern
Address: New Hafton Place, North Bute
With the information we have on father Duncan and wife, I think this is them in 1881:
1881:
Duncan Livingston 42, fisherman, b. Morvern
Betsy Livingston 24, b. Kilfinan
Peter Livingston 4, b. Kilfinan
Isabella Livingston , b. Kilfinan
Alexander Livingston 7 Weeks b. Morvern
John Livingston 38, brother, fisherman, b. Morvern
Address: Clachoclin, Kilfinan Argyll
And likely, Duncan before he married in 1871:
1871:
Duncan Livingston 34, Herring Fisherman, b. Morven
Catherine Livingston 36, sister, b. Morvern
John Livingston 29, brother, Herring Fisherman, b. Morven
Ann McLean 4, niece, b. Caddy, Lanarkshire
Address: Clachlain House, Kilfinan Argyll
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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I'm taking a bit of a guess here from the information we have found on the censuses  Hopefully you can verify Duncan's parents' names from his marriage certificate to Betsy. There are a family of Livingstons from Morven that might fit for Duncan's family. An Allan Livingston and Janet McInnes had the following children:
1. PATRICK LIVINGSTON Birth: 08 FEB 1828
2. KATRINE LIVINGSTON Birth: 18 NOV 1829
3. MARY LIVINGSTON Birth: 24 AUG 1831
4. DUNCAN LIVINGSTONBirth: 02 JUL 1833
5. JOHN LIVINGSTON Birth: 11 SEP 1837
6. ANN LIVINGSTON Birth: 27 JAN 1844
The names above would fit the 1871 census entry we have for Duncan with brother John and sister Catherine.
This family in the censuses:
1841 - everyone showing as born in the County apart from Allan:
Allan Livingston 45, agri. lab, b. Scotland
Jannet Livingston 40
Patrick Livingston 13
Cathrine Livingston 11
Duncan Livingston 9
Aexander Livingston 7
John Livingston 5
Mary Livingston 3
John Livingston 55
Mary Livingston 90
Address: Lochaline Village, Morvern
1851:
Allan Livingston 55, Gen Labourer & Fenar, b. Morvern
Janet Livingston 52, b. Dundee
Mary Livingston 18, b. Morvern
Duncan Livingston 16, b. Morvern
John Livingston 13, b. Morvern
Ann Livingston 8, b. Morvern
Donald Cameron 2, grandson, b. Morvern
Address: 9 Livingston's, Lochaline, Morvern Argyll
1861:
Allan Livingstone 67, agr. lab. b. Morvern
Catherine Livingstone 28, agr. lab. b. Morvern
Duncan Livingstone 26, agr. lab. b. Morvern
Peter McLean 5, relative
Address: Cardenoch, Cadder, Lanarkshire
As I have mentioned, parents' details need to be verified for Duncan before you can be certain this is his family line.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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There is a marriage for a Duncan Livingston and a Betsy McBride showing in 1876 in Kilfinan, where the family show in 1881 that looks promising. Again, Beatrice's birth cert. will let you confirm it is the right one with the confirmation of her mother Betsy's surname
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bets
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We have McBride and Whitelock cousins here that my mom and her sisters always visited in the summer.
One of the men I remember was a Duncan Mcbride
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Betsy
I found this site from google www.desmond-mcallister.info/Eng/Ancestors/aqwg387.htm#12763
They have Alexander McBride and Isabella McAllister as Elizabeth (Betsy)'s parents. You can use the links to go into different lines.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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There's lots around isn't there Wullie - if only all our families were so well documented!
There is a particularly extensive tree for this Livinstone line on google www.reclaimed-treasures.com/rlivingston/dd7.htm, "DESCENDANTS OF NEIL LEVINGSTON AND AGNES HUNTER (FATHER & MOTHER OF DR. DAVID LIVINGSTONE).
Hopefully, you may find the connection!
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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You also have another descendant of Duncan and Betsy:
My ancestors were in Lochaline in the 1800's my great etc grandfather Duncan Livingston was born here in 1833 his mother janet McInnes died there in 1855. Trying to find out if Duncan Livingston his grandfather and Mary Cameron his grandmother were born in the area. Allan Livingston was born 1795 in Lanark he married in Morvern in 1827. Would anyone out there have information on them I have hit a wall....
www.ukvillages.co.uk/guest_book/Acharn (Highland)-Highland&logid=
This explains why Allan showed as born in Scotland (outside of the county) for the 1841 census. The marriage for Allan and Janet shows on 05 APR 1827 Morven, Argyll in the Old Parish Registers.
Monica
Added: I'm having problems pasting the link to the specific post on UK villages - let me see if I can get round it 
...and the answer is no I can't, but if you go to UK Villages site you should be able to find the post and be able to contact the poster via her email.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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