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Topic: Baptisms - Mancetter (Read 1881 times)
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willow154
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Hi BumbleB,
Curious, isn't it!
My first thought was the tax imposed on baptisms (marriages and deaths, too, I think) 1783 - 1794, but this is a bit late for that.
See:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,278772.0/topicseen.html
Still looking for an explanation - whether I'll find one is another matter!
This is where we could do with Stan on the case (stan mapstone).
Paulene 
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stanmapstone
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There was no tax on Baptisms The tax was on entries in the register.
1783-1794
Under the Stamp Act of 1783 (23 Geo. III, c.67) a tax of three pence was levied on each Church Register entry of birth, baptism or marriage, except for paupers. The parson or other receiving the tax was allowed two shillings in the pound for the trouble involved. There was such a popular outcry against this tax that it was speedily repealed in 1794 (34 Geo, c.11), however it is interesting to note the sudden increase in the numbers of those declared to be paupers over this short period.
Stan
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willow154
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Hi Stan,
Thank you so much for helping us out - and for making it clear that it was actually a tax on the register entries (most of the sites I've seen don't point this out - so, great to have you make it clear, Stan).
Are you able to throw any light on why these particlular ones in the early 1800s should be so, Stan? I can only find references to 'private' baptisms and 'pauper' ones.
Paulene
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stanmapstone
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P in Parish Registers usually means a child was baptised privately at home and a second entry occurs when the child was well enough to be received into the congregation. This is the completion of the original service and in some registers this extra date is entered along with the private baptism and in others as a new entry. However these are fairly uncommon and I don't understand why there would be pages of entries. One possibility is that the church was closed for a time for some reason, and although the actual baptism could be carried out at home, the reception into church part was left until the church was opened again. There may be some reference to the church being closed, which church was it, and what were the range of dates?
Stan
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willow154
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Hi Stan,
BumbleB appears to be offlline at the moment; but using the information he or she has given it would appear to be batch C043703 - which merely states 'parish church of Mancetter' on the IGI.
However, looking on genuki, it would seem that the parish church was St. Peters.
Hopefully BumbleB will confirm this later.
Paulene
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BumbleB
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi: Yes, it was St Peter and I was looking at the original BTs at Lichfield Archives - no IGI, no copies, no films or fiches, the ORIGINALS on parchment, and/or paper, complete with holes and missing corners, and even one sheet where the mice had obviously got in!! And there literally were loads of these entries, almost every baptism, and certainly between 1806 and 1809 (the period I was interested in), had the same type of entry. It was fascinating, and at the same time intriguing as I've never come across it before - but then I've usually been researching Yorkshire! This bit was for a colleague.
In answer to the range of dates - the first entry I was looking for was P Bapt'd 24 December 1805, received in church 27 July 1806, and the second was bapt 9 July 1809, received into church 25 December 1809. But in finding those dates I obviously saw many others in the intervening years, and the majority of them had the same type of wording, with two dates.
I've come across two dates being entered on parish registers in the past, but they have been dates of birth and dates of baptism - thank heavens for Reverend Dade!!! And I've come across private baptisms, but this really intrigued me, and I do like to know why these anomalies occur - or just call me plain nosey!
BumbleB
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Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY
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stanmapstone
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St. Peter's was restored in 1876, so apparently was not closed 1805/1809.
You say they are the Bishop's Transcripts, so are not the original registers, though whether that makes any difference or not I don't know.
Stan
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stanmapstone
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Looking at the Rootsweb Archives for Warwickshire I found this posting
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/warwick/2003-02/1045819011
which mentions a Thomas Jefcoate baptism at Mancetter on 28th July 1784 and received into the church 4th June 1786! and the poster also says I did note several other such entries from around the same period
So this pre-dates the other entries.
Stan
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willow154
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Hi Dobby,
It's a puzzle isn't it!
When do you think Herbert's photo was taken, then? Was he still living in the Mancetter area?
Paulene
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willow154
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Hi Dobby,
Goodness - 90 years is a good age! Sounds quite a character.
I've never been to that part of Yorkshire - bet it's lovely.
My lot moved to Stanton by Dale, Derbyshire from the Black Country. I'm not yet sure where they came from before that - could have been Shropshire, Worcestershire or Warwickshire. That still remains a mystery!
Thanks for telling me a bit about your family. Lots of interesting memories there.
Take care, Dobby.
Paulene
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