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dobfarm
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #75 on: Thursday 12 March 09 16:09 UTC (UK) »
Hi Stan, A direct question asked of most ancestry tree makers outside deep rooted genealogy is 'Do experts think? was  there any of these private Baptisms missed out of both Anglican and no-orthox also RC registers in relation to years 1760-1837 where known ages either in census 1841c to 61c verble age also death certificate/parish reg burial age at death  or Grave recorded ages at death going back to above years'. There are gaps in desending siblings of some couples as was a common spacing of 2-3 years apart of them indescending  years after the said couples marriage year.
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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth.
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Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #76 on: Thursday 12 March 09 17:10 UTC (UK) »
Digressing a bit, I know, but another question I asked Lloyd, last night, was about my missing ancestor who's baptism I can't locate in 1785 (still hoping though).
There is a lady, who I suspect is his sister, who lived nearby (other clues, too), whose baptism is missing, too. On the 1851 census it says that she was born at Old Park, Salop (on the 1841 says born Staffs Huh). So, I checked the Dawley Magna parish register hoping to find both Rebecca and Thomas's baptisms - but nothing was there. I then read that the area at Old Park was extra-parochial - so they could go anywhere to get their children baptised.
I also asked the question, would it be possible, as they were not tithed to a particular church, etc, that they might just not bother getting the children baptised, and Lloyd said that that was indeed possible.
So, that might explain my ancestor's situation (though I hope not), and might explain some missing entries in some areas, Dobby.
Doesn't explain those where they stayed in on area though, does it! Undecided
I suspect, as we've said, that baptisms could be eslsewhere - wive's own parish, etc.
Let's see what Stan says, shall we.
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #77 on: Thursday 12 March 09 17:46 UTC (UK) »
I have found or come across the most convincing on many trees.

Mine was Mary Fletcher married him in photo Herbert Tidmarsh married 1901 Chesterfield.

They lived after 1911 in clowne in Derbyshire in a row of minners cottages where there was some Fletchers as thought related. Mary Fletcher born 1874 in Clowne as was thought of John Fetcher!  too we got her Birth cert. Mary Fletcher born 1874 newbold Chesterfield father Thomas of Burslem Staffs.

There was a Mary Fletcher born clowne b 1874 married of John of clowne lived in Chesterfield after marriage!.

Thus nothing working on a wife parish can't always be certain.
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #78 on: Thursday 12 March 09 18:19 UTC (UK) »
Hi again.

My problem ancestor is Phoebe Cope death 1852 Balsall Temple Warwichire age 83,  on 1841c age 60 -51c age 72 birth place Balsall and burial grave stone age 72 in 1852. St Marys Balsall Temple grave yard She  married Thomas Tidma-sh (no R) in Merevale 1803 (not in IGI) Witnesses Abraham and Elizabeth cope. They could be bro and sis or married.
There is a Abraham and Elizabeth Cope bapt 1780+/- in Merevale parish of Richard and Elizabeth Cope but no Phoebe???

There is Phoebe Cope  bapt Dudley 1777 IGI but also her grandson Joseph Tidmarsh ( Bapt 1843 Balsall)birth 1846 Census 1881 having sibling born Swan village near Dudley

So either Dudley bapt 1777 or and unregistered bapt of above Richard and Elizabeth about 1779. Merevale. reason new tax on bapts
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #79 on: Friday 13 March 09 13:17 UTC (UK) »
 Bumbleb

Bir/Ham Cen/lib may have this book.


Professor Everitt's perceptive study, The Pattern of Rural Dissent:the Nineteenth Century
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Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #80 on: Friday 13 March 09 13:49 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for the information on the book.  If I have the chance I may have a look at it.

As for missing baptisms, we all have them, and they're always just the one you would really like to see.  I can instance quite a lot in my tree, and they're all the direct ancestors - hundreds of siblings all baptised beautifully except the one that really matters!!  Sod's Law.

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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #81 on: Friday 13 March 09 14:27 UTC (UK) »
Sods Law!

Riddy Murphy.
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #82 on: Friday 13 March 09 14:34 UTC (UK) »
Ps I'm going on Abraham witness either bother or cousin Same granddad.

I would like to thank everbody for there help with this from All
and especialy Bumbleb without her offline help and  I would not have got this far also finding Sarah Botts Death 1732 to realizing 3 marriages of Son Thomas b 1805/6 and her keen eye. The deep rooted  info of Stan raising and pointing out this tax on bapts in relation to these late 18th century Bapts.

Thanks Sue on page post set up.

As far as I'm concerned post now completed.
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #83 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 02:02 UTC (UK) »
Bumbleb and other posters now go to

this link as This post is growing and heating up.


 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368972.new;topicseen#new
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #84 on: Tuesday 07 April 09 18:07 UTC (UK) »
On returning home & parking the car, a nip into  to the local pub for quick pint! Anyway as one thing leads to another and lads having a natter about important things in life like, golf, football, ways & excuses of lowering their wife's house keeping money to buy more pints of beer ! like inceased travel costs or if she's not into motoring? then the car electic bills gone up or what ever! we got on to these Private Baptisms. Well to cut a long story short? old Thos in the corner! pint in one hand & Pipe in the other, toes toasting off by the fire in his usual seat. (Must have reach a 100 ~10 birthdays ago) Suddenly shouts "out side lue Muck art ( out) day"every second Sunday of the month".

"Yond Vicar would pick it up with his human radar in the prevailing winds across the fens 3 streets away! being educated an all! unlike us country folk! thats why he have more than one church."

Food for thought
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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Baptisms - Mancetter
« Reply #85 on: Thursday 30 July 09 16:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi, all
To carry on this about the topic Baptisms
 maybe you like to give your views on this link

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,395760.0.html

Dobby
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