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Traceyp
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Trying to trace any information about my great grand parents, Samuel James and Emily King(both travellers). Don't know where they were born but they settled in Kent.
I have Samuel James' death certificate. It says that he died in Bromley,Kent in 1944 aged 61, occupation hawker. This is all I know about him.
His wife was Emily King and she died in Bromley, Kent in 1965 aged 79.
I think they had 7 children, Amelia, Louise, Brittania, Leonard, Ellen, Rose and Robert. In 1944 they were living in Downe, Kent.
Would be grateful for any info.
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Gypsy traveller families in Kent and Surrey: James, King, Jeeves.
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CatOne
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Have you seen this possible birth registration for Alvinea? I see she married James in 1896, so the only census they'd be together is 1901 
Alvina Breeds March 1876 Bromley Vol 2a Page 392
Could this be Alvina in 1891? Its in the name "Eastwood" but you mention her name is "Eastwood Breeds" -
RG12/516 Folio 99 Page 19
Woolwich Road Caravan, Eltham, London
Thomas Eastwood widr Head 71 Hawker Sussex Bl....ach
Walter Head 35 Hawker Maidstone Kent
Priscilla wife 35 Sussex Rye
Alver 15 Kent Maidstone
Ell... 13 Kent New Cross
Walter 11 Lower? Sydenham
Thomas 7 Kent ...ltham?
Reilly? 2 Kent Maidstone
Sarah 7mo Kent Sidcup
Travelling with -
John? Lee and family (Hawker)
Arthur Smith and family (Cutler?) (Rose Garden Caravan)
George Yelding? and family (Cutler?)
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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CatOne
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Re: Samuel James b.c1883, have you seen this one in 1891? Gloucester area though
1891 RG12/2032 Folio 5 Page 36
3 caravans in field off Love Lane, Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Sampson James 44 Carpet Hawker
Louisa 42
Edward 21 Carpet Hawker
Albert 18 Carpet Hawker
Emily 16
Lena 8
Ellen 2
Leah 4
Samuel 9
Owen 5
Birthplace for all - NK
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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greenwellies
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Don't know if there is any connection or not, but I have a Francis King b.1870 Woodchurch, Kent, who went to live in East Sussex then the New Forest, then went off with a gypsy/travelling woman from East Sussex. Up until the 1960's they were gypsies and brought up their children/grandchildren in wagons and nissan huts. The woman's name was Fanny (Frances Arnold) and they were not married. They had 15 children, only three of whom were registered. The only name I have is Phoebe b.1901 Lower Green, Woodchurch. Maybe there is a connection through one of the other children?
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SMITH Walton-on-Thames, Chertsey (Sy)
KING Westgate-on-Sea, Woodchurch (Kent)
WORTHINGTON Goldenhill, Kidsgrove (Staffs)
NORRIS Headcorn (Kent)
BARNETT Loxwood (Ssx)
COVEY Alford (Sy)
ELLERTON Goldenhill (Staffs)
EAGLE Chertsey (Sy)
FLOYD Manchester (Lancs) Clonmel, Tipperary (Ire)
WILKINSON Manchester, Salford (Lancs)
COTTON Wellington (Salop)
RANWORTH Manchester (Lancs)
HABBESHAW Chadderton (Lancs)
HALL Chadderton
MORTON Doncaster (Yorks)
HOLT Oldham (Lancs)
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ritkelmar
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Just joined. My great-great grandfather was James James, and he "knew" in the Biblical sense as well as social, Margaret Crick, a 20 year-old servant in Pimlico, in early 1856. There was a child, Emily (Lambeth Lying-in Hospital Baptismal register) born in November, my great-grandmother.
Father was given as James James, ...no residence; and his Trade, Profession or Quality given as:"Traveller"
The couple never married.
now I would love to know more about my GG grandfather!
Does "Traveller" on a document of those years refer to a Gypsy Traveller? Has anyone info on a Traveller family called James?
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Meagher, Erly, Kelly, Mannion
Crick, Pitts, James
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ritkelmar
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TYVM! I see a lot of James were from Wales around 1861 and 1871. Pimlico is a "nice" district in central London. Our Margaret was originally from the Poplar area (Tower Hamlets, near East India docks.) Her dad was a master sawyer. She went to work as a domestic for a family there and "got involved" with James James. Her employer paid the stay in the Lying -in Hospital in Lambeth. It seems she did not marry James, but had the baby, worked as a nurse then died of a fever. Her family took in the baby, raised her and she came to Canada in 1884 as nursemaid to a business family and later married an Englishman here. She was my maternal great-gran. She concocted a lovely story about her assassinated Spanish Diplomat daddy, etc. I guess in those days one did not admit to being illegitimate. Anyway we are quite excited to think we have Romany blood. Always did like travelling and camping!
It would be great to know more about the James family. Do you use Ancestry.com?
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