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Topic: The names Mally and Mary. (Read 401 times)
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jillruss
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Gt Gt Grandfather Shepherd from Aberdeen 1827-1910
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What are others' experiences of the name Mally in the West Riding?
I have a Mally Smith marrying in Almondbury in 1781, described as 'of this parish'. I've been looking for a baptism for Mally Smith and there are a couple of likely ones in Elland and Kirkburton, but none in Almondbury.
However, I think I have her burial in Almondbury when she's called Mary. There's another likely baptism for a Mary Smith actually in Almondbury.
Could her marriage entry have used her 'pet name' of Mally, although she was baptised Mary (I suppose the clerk would just write what she said her name was!) - or should I be looking for a Mally?  Confusing!!
Fortunately, for this area, the surname Smith isn't too much of a problem! 
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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pinot
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Hi Jill,
'Mali' is or was used as a diminutive of the name Mair/Mari (Mary) in Wales; it is given these days occasionally as a first name in its own right.
Pinot 
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Janeada
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Hi Jill,
I have a Mally Park in Lowick, Lancashire (now in Cumbria). She was christened as Mally in July 1771. She appears on the census in 1841 and 1851 as Mary and on her death certificate (1855) and her will she is also Mary. I have always understood Mally is a variant form of Mary. I was very confused until I found her will and the relationships mentioned in that sorted everything out for me. It begged another question about what happened to one of her daughters but that is a different story!! 
Janeada
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CLARKE in Furness, Lancashire, Cumberland & Isle of Man, PARK in Furness, Lancashire, CHARNOCK in Furness, Lancashire, ASHBURNER in Furness, Lancashire, FISHER in Westmorland & Lancashire (& Yorkshire), HIRD in Westmorland & Lancashire, JACKSON in Cumberland, SIM in Cumberland, WING in Lincolnshire, COOK in Nottinghamshire
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Sandymc47
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Hi Jill
Being very interested in names and especially Viking names I would let you know that Mally is a Norwegian or Viking name for a girl. As the North of England was invaded and then settled in there are still lots of Viking words in the Yorkshire and Lancashire dialect.
Sither
Sandymc
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Midgley, Fowler, Routledge, Hewitt, Thompson, Almond, Kilvington, Waite, Binks, Cantrel, Pearson, Kaye, Fielding, Appleyard, Buck, Gatenby, Firth, all Yorkshire for centuaries except the Routledge from Cumbria..
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Janeada
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Molly is a more usual pet form of Mary and it is not so very far removed from Mally. I think it is fairly easy to see how the two names could come to be used interchangeably.
Janeada
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« Last Edit: Saturday 12 September 09 10:08 UTC (UK) by Janeada »
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CLARKE in Furness, Lancashire, Cumberland & Isle of Man, PARK in Furness, Lancashire, CHARNOCK in Furness, Lancashire, ASHBURNER in Furness, Lancashire, FISHER in Westmorland & Lancashire (& Yorkshire), HIRD in Westmorland & Lancashire, JACKSON in Cumberland, SIM in Cumberland, WING in Lincolnshire, COOK in Nottinghamshire
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laceytreigh
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This information is very interesting to me. I had an aunt who was born in 1919 in Sydney Australia, and her parents wanted to call her 'Mally', but the cranky old Catholic priest wouldn't allow it!! Said it wasn't a 'real' name!! In the end, she was christened 'Marie Mavourneen'. Her parents and maternal g'parents were Aussie, but her paternal g'parents were German and Irish.
Tracey.
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Sandymc47
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Hi there
Just a little towards your query. Lots of names have derivatives including a name like Elizabeth which has lots like Bessie, Beth etc. Also alot of peeps called Margaret were also called Mary as well so Mally would be a long remembered name I should imagine. I lived in Leeds from the 1940's and the Kings English was never heard until about the 1970's when people started moving around to different cities. I didnt realise I could speak another language when younger I just thought it was normal until I later found out it was Yorkshire I was speaking.
Lug, lakin, sither, mardi, bahn, etc all viking words still in use in the North.
The Vikings also invaded Ireland and Germany so not surprised Mally was mentioned even in Oz.
regards Sandymc
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Midgley, Fowler, Routledge, Hewitt, Thompson, Almond, Kilvington, Waite, Binks, Cantrel, Pearson, Kaye, Fielding, Appleyard, Buck, Gatenby, Firth, all Yorkshire for centuaries except the Routledge from Cumbria..
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bykerlads
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Mally was definitely common in the Holmfirth area and was used as a "proper" name- it appears a lot in parish registers, BMD certs. etc.
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annieoburns
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Interesting topic. My mother has some Irish forebears and was christened Mary but always known as 'Molly' which is nothing to do with Irish word for Mary which is Maire.
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Wiffen, Utton, Clark, Spires, Frisby, Raybould, Charlton, Green, (England)
Flood, Daly, Doran, Mc Kercher, Gardiner, (Ireland/England)
Reid, Burns (Ireland)
McGourty, Daly (Ireland/America)
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Holmemoss
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Having being born and raised near Holmfirth in the 1950s I can fully agree with Sandymc - they are still lakin cricket and tha' can allus tell a Yorkshireman but tha' can't tell 'im much.
I too didn't realise it was Yorkshire I was speaking; and still don't if I am speaking to my father!
I also agree with bykerlads in that Mally is very common in the Holmfirth area. Also, many Margarets' were invariably known as Peggy.
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libby9
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Having being born and raised near Holmfirth in the 1950s I can fully agree with Sandymc - they are still lakin cricket and tha' can allus tell a Yorkshireman but tha' can't tell 'im much.
I too didn't realise it was Yorkshire I was speaking; and still don't if I am speaking to my father!
I also agree with bykerlads in that Mally is very common in the Holmfirth area. Also, many Margarets' were invariably known as Peggy.
I too was brought up in Holmfirth, and I have a Mally (not a short name or nickname) in my ancestry - she was born in the Colne Valley.
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