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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #15 on: Friday 13 March 09 18:59 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ken, One thing I have learned during 13 years at this game, but only a few months on Rootschat is that a baptism would usually take place within a few months of birth, but if the child was weak then the baptism would take place very early on. There is also the situation where some parents would have their children baptised in batches, it was cheaper to have one ceremony for 4 children than 4 separate ceremonies.This was quite frequent amongst poorer people. Also there was no standardised spelling until after about 1800, and then it took hold gradually. In his will, William Shakespeare spelled his name 5 different ways; this of course was earlier, but you get the idea. People also often didn't know their own age to within a year or two. With all these caveats we can't be too precise, and some times I wonder how we get anything done at all.
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 16:41 UTC (UK) »
 Redroger ... thanks for that input ... I personaly have found no mass baptisms in my family of Stephensons ... about one month after birth ... is I think quite usual for christening.
Oly ... thanks so much for your help ... on the boards here, and all the info. sent by PM ... If I knew your address ... I would at least send a post card .. just to say THANK-YOU!!! Smiley
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William Stephenson - born 1814 at Doncaster West Yorkshire - married Mary Scott at Cottingham East Yorkshire (Hull) in 1838. Williams parents I believe were another Wm Stephenson and an Alice Carter - married Cantley Parish W Yorks (Doncaster) in 1811..... Other east riding names are Nicholls (Bridlington, Yorks and Wigan Lancs.) and the surname Withernwick.
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 26 March 09 19:18 UTC (UK) »
OK Ken, I used to live in Doncaster, and know a bit about the place, though I have now moved away.
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 11:25 UTC (UK) »
For anyone interested the whole of the burial records for the deanery of Doncaster have been transcribed by the Doncaster and district FHS

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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 19:44 UTC (UK) »

And are also on NBI2 (National Burial Index)  CD as are most of the country, giving date, age (where recorded), County and place details, ie town and Church.

Regards Oly
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 25 June 09 08:53 UTC (UK) »
Oly couldn't agree more but then if you are only interested in one church ................
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 25 June 09 15:06 UTC (UK) »
Though I stand to be corrected on the precise dating details, it is my recollection that prior to the early 1850s, there was only one church in what is now Doncaster, i.e. St. Georges; Christchurch etc. followed with the development of the railway; I am sure that there would have been a church in Balby which prior to 1914 was a separate parish, though now completely absorbed.
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 25 June 09 22:32 UTC (UK) »
Balby with Hexthorpe, St John the Evangelist, first burial I have 1832
Balby Quakers about 1800 

43 Churches in the Deanery of Doncaster

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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #23 on: Friday 26 June 09 10:57 UTC (UK) »
Ok brief history of DOncaster.  The original Parish Church was St Magdalenes now the fish market.  It's burial ground is under the corn exchange.  Possibly went out of use around the time of the Disollution.  St Georges was built on the site of the old Roman fort and later Norman Castle.  In circa 1851 the church caught fire and was totally destroyed.  Thanks to the  bravery of a local man the plate and the registers were rescued.  In 1846 Christ Church was begun and finished just before the fire at St Georges.  As was said in an earlier post this was because of the influx of Railway workers and the manufacturing workers.  Whilst Burials were still placed in the ground at St Georges the remainder of church functions was passed across to Christ Church with the then incumbent of St Georges carrying out the service.  It is therefore possible to find two entries in different registers during this time. 

Queen Victoria broke with all royal protocol and gave £100 to the cost of rebuilding St Georges.  The church reopened for business in 1853. 

This is all from memory and I may have made mistakes with dates but if anyone wants them confirming I can do that. 

St James church that now stands by the railway came after Christ Church and is fairly new.  It was built by the Plant for the use of Railway workers originally.

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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #24 on: Friday 26 June 09 18:16 UTC (UK) »
What I find surprising about Doncaster is the fact that some of the longstanding communities had no church until very recently, i.e. Balby 1832 approx, though to me it looks far older. A few years ago I completed an archaeological project about what remained visible of the medieval Cusworth estate within the modern estate (present Cusworth Hall mid 18th century) An unanswered question at the end of my project was where did they worship? Cusworth had no church until 1956, though it is situated in the old (medieval?) pinfold building. Before the late 19th century the nearest church was about 2 miles away, this was reduced by the building of St. Leonards and Judes Barnsley Road to about 3/4 miles in 1939.
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 27 June 09 08:48 UTC (UK) »
I think what we have to remember is that places such as Balby were isolated communities until the influx of manufacturing and railway workers.  As such they didn't require a church.  In fact from transcribing the PR's people from Balby and Hyde Park tended to use Christ Church as their parish church and not St Georges.

I was interested in your view on Cusworth and I guess you worked up there with Arcus and Colin Merony.  I have to agree that for a time when religion was a big thing the family of the house didn't have a private chapel or build a small community church.  The question is did they use Sprotbrough or travel to Bentley?

Ok St James Church which was built to accomodate Balby peoples wasn't built until 1858

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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 27 June 09 14:15 UTC (UK) »
 If you go to the St George's site ... it tells you that the Church burned March 1853, with the old original registers still showing burn marks on the old paper. The new St Georges was built 1854 - 1856.
And over the years, I believe the old church grounds & cemetery have lost ground ... to the many road work projects. So therefore the cemetery has been moved around more than once. If I lived in the area (instead of Canada) ... I personaly would go take a look at what old stones yet remain ... to see if any stone had Stephenson on it ... or Lawrence, Carter. Two generations of my Stephensons are buried at St Wilfrids in Cantley .. but I have a William Stephenson who died Doncaster in 1806 .. and a Robert in 1820 .. and a John (not sure on date) .. they were all coachmakers in Donny.... and likely buried at St Georges. But it is likely wishfull thinking, that any stones are there.
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William Stephenson - born 1814 at Doncaster West Yorkshire - married Mary Scott at Cottingham East Yorkshire (Hull) in 1838. Williams parents I believe were another Wm Stephenson and an Alice Carter - married Cantley Parish W Yorks (Doncaster) in 1811..... Other east riding names are Nicholls (Bridlington, Yorks and Wigan Lancs.) and the surname Withernwick.
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 28 June 09 16:19 UTC (UK) »
Rob, You must mean of course after Christ Church was built, prior to that they must have used St. George's or possibly Warmsworth.
No, I was not involved with the ARCUS work at Cusworth, though I know Colin quite well having worked with him at Brodsworth in the walled garden on several ocassions before I left the area. The work I did at Cusworth was a personal project for GCE A level in 2003/4 which I took at Dearne Valley College. I obtained 100% for the project, which surprised me though it felt good when I submitted it!; and a good A overall. Our move really stopped me from taking a degree, I would still like to do it, but think I'm perhaps getting a bit old now.
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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 28 June 09 19:23 UTC (UK) »

For a small fee, Doncaster Family History Society, will look for any surname in the index of monumental inscriptions in all the Churchyards within the Archdeaconry of Doncaster and let you know in which churchyards it appeared.

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Re: St George, Doncaster Burials: Stephenson
« Reply #29 on: Monday 29 June 09 10:56 UTC (UK) »
The church yard as been totally cleared.  The vast amount of burials were removed in 1973 when the ring road was built through the area and again a few years ago they encountered burials when the work on that area for the new bridge etc was carried out.  There are a few stones left however they are very worn due to them having been laid as the pathway through the grounds.  I will be over there later and I will take a look at what names survive.

Redroger yes indeed I do and thank you for completing my post Smiley  I was thinking about volunteering myself this year for the season at Brodsworth but have decided I don't fancy a community excavation this year. 

Ken yes you are right however burn marks is an understatement.  Having been fortunate enough to see these registers I can tell you that they are not in a great state of preservation however the archives have done a great job in protecting them for prosperity.  In fact some of the pages are so badly burned that I am sure a number of people will lose family if searching them.
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