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cosmac
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In 1861 Mary (44) b. Nova Scotia is living in Birmington Cheshire at 1 Backwater Street with 13 year old Lavina and 6 year old George - both born Nova Scotia and 1 year old Elizabeth.
RG9 2571 23 40
Where is Peter? There is a P Jones b. 1828 Stockport Cheshire but classified as unmarried in Fulwood Lancashire at the Fulwood Barracks Preston RG9 3144 101 25. The regiments is noted in the image.
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J.J.
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Either this was a typo in 1861 or they may have had a falling out period...she might not have wanted to follow the military lifestyle anymore....or it might have been permanent and she was naming a husband for her protection, which also happens we've found with some widows...( and visa versa, saying they are widows, when they've split or the hubby's bolted...Did he die near home?
He'd have been there for this incident...just for interesting reading...
Fulwood Barracks at Preston....
The barracks themselves had been completed in 1848 and served as the station for a number of units between 1848 and 1881. Notably, in the 1860s, it was occupied by the 11th Depot Battalion, which served as depot unit for 11th Hussars and of the 1st/10th, 2nd/10th, 1st/11th, 32nd, 41st and 55th Regiments of Foot. In 1861, Private Patrick McCaffery, a 19-year old private with 32nd Regiment shot and killed the Depot's commander, Colonel Hugh Crofton, and Depot's adjutant, Captain John Hanham, with a single shot. The incident began over the McCaffery's punishment for failing to vigorously pursue an investigation into some children who had broken some windows at the barracks. McCaffery was tried and convicted at the Liverpool Assizes. He was executed on 11 January 1862. It is said that since that time, his ghost haunts the officer's mess at Fulwood barracks.[12]
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J.J.
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The 41st regiment of foot was finished in Canada by 1815 so if he was in the military which looks likely...he must have transferred over from another regiment...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~crossroads/regiments/regiments-infantry.html
The 8th the 14th 16th 38th 42nd Regiments of foot were known to be stationed in Nova Scotia at that time...
However, reading through...several other also were sent there just before heading back to U.K.
I guess we have strayed from your original query, to find the surname for Mary Jane...but the ball's in your court to get Elizabeth's birth cert...
It's been a while as I've said, but if you state all three and say the father is known to be Peter, do they not charge you only for the one they find with Peter as father?
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cosmac
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I ordered a marriage certificate and was charged 3 pounds rather than the 7 pounds as the 2 people in question didn't appear on the same certificate.
I think I would start with the birth for Elizabeth in 1860 and see if that one proved to be the one for this family.
Debbie
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LaviniaJ
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Lavinia Royle is in Stockport Cheshire on the 1881 census at 4 Stringer Yard but her name is recorded as Selina. TG 11 3482 3820
Alfred (37) b. Stockport, Selina (33) b. New York America, Elijah (13) b. Manchester Lancashire,
Mary H. (9) b. Stockport, Martha A (6) b. Stockport, Margaret (3) b. Stockport.
Lavina and Alfred are in Stockport in 1901 RG13 3297 158 5
Her birth is recorded as America British Subject. Children Fred (13) and Martha A. (9) are living with them.
Debbie
I had found that entry for 1881 (why can we only access the 1881 for free, online?). I noticed her name recorded as Selina, but it is Lavinia. Maybe she was misunderstood, as she would have had an American accent and I can assume that since most people weren't literate, they probably just had a man come to the door and take their details.
Lavinia and Alfred are my GG grandparents and Martha Ann was my great grandmother, who emigrated to Australia with her husband and children including my grandmother, in 1906. I have several postcards from Fred to Martha (they seem to have been close) with views of Stockport, Manchester, UK, where they grew up.
I've seen a photo of Stringers Yard in the Stockport Museum - a very grim place to live. Martha came up in the world when she married into my G grandfather's family. His family were hat makers and they continued the business when they came to Australia, having a successful mens hat business which lasted for nearly 100 years.
BTW, can anyone tell me why I can't see what I'm typing in these boxes - the text just vanishes under the bottom edge and you have to scroll up to see what you've typed.
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cosmac
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Names can be very mangled in census records and you usually look at other members and dates in the household to verify that it is your family. I found this site which gives more information than FreeBMD on the BMDs for Cheshire. For Elizabeth Jones it gives you the mother's maiden name but not her Christian name. You can accumulate the maiden names and try and find them associated with the name Mary Jane or marrying a Peter Jones but, in my opinion, the easiest way to find Mary Jane's maiden name would be to find the appropriate birth certificate for Elizabeth. It would also state Peter's occupation (was he in the army?)
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Debbie
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cosmac
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canns/
Some Nova Scotia resources. There is a link to the 1838 Nova Scotia census which might be of use if you know the maiden name of Mary Jane.
Debbie
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