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alisonlbutler
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HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« on: Friday 06 March 09 16:40 UTC (UK) »

I really hope someone can help me I have hit a brick wall and I can't get any further.

i'm trying to find information on my great great grandma, Harriet Rosier (Rosiar/Rozier)
I have found here in census from 1861 to 1901

She was born Dec 1857 in Wetheringsett/Hartismere

In 1861 she was living with her aunt and uncle Harriet and George Rolfe. From the age of 3 to 23 she was living with them, I know she got married between 1881 and 1891

THE INFORMATION I AM LOOKING FOR is who are Harriet Rosier's parents? I'm assuming they must have died when she was young and that is why she is living with her aunt and uncle.

I've tried finding Harriet Rolfe before she was married to try and find out her parents which would be Harriet Rosiers grandparents and look that way but to no avail.

Any help will be much appreciated

Thank you

Alison
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 March 09 16:45 UTC (UK) »
Hi Alison

I suppose the easiest way would be to buy her birth certificate  Smiley

Dec 1857  Hartismere    4a   451    ROSIER  Harriett Eliza   


Will have a look for the aunt in earlier census
The only marriage I can see for her is Dec 1846 Hartismere  13   1102
Rolfe  George and on same page  BROWN  Harriet    so wonder if she was married twice?
        
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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 March 09 16:51 UTC (UK) »
Presumably young Harriet could just as easily have been a niece (by blood) of George Rolfe as of his wife Harriet?

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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 March 09 16:55 UTC (UK) »
But then wouldn't her surname be Rolfe not Rosier?
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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 March 09 16:58 UTC (UK) »
If Harriet married to George Rolfe was Harriet Brown, (they are still together in 1851) and Harriet's sister married a Rosier, that would work
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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 March 09 16:59 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: alisonlbutler on Friday 06 March 09 16:55 UTC (UK)
But then wouldn't her surname be Rolfe not Rosier?

Not necessarily.  If young Harriet's mother was a sister of George Rolfe, then the child would be George's niece without sharing his surname.

I don't share a surname with any of my aunts and uncles, because they're all on my mother's side and I have my father's surname.

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London: Pierce
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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:01 UTC (UK) »
Of course I didn't think of it like that!!!
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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:02 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Ecneps on Friday 06 March 09 16:58 UTC (UK)
If Harriet married to George Rolfe was Harriet Brown, (they are still together in 1851) and Harriet's sister married a Rosier, that would work


Indeed.

See e.g this (possible) marriage:

Marriage Dec qtr 1849  
 
Ann BROWN  
David ROSIER
on same page, Hartismere 13 1104    
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:02 UTC (UK) »
possible   marriage?   sorry for dup!)
Dec 1849 Hartismere  13   1104
Brown  Ann   with on same page    Rosier    David


1841 census HO107 Piece 1038 Book 2  Folio  5  Page 3
Debenham,  Suffolk
BROWN
William  50 Ag Lab
Amelia  50
Harriot  20
Anna  12
Benjamin 9
all born Suffolk
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:05 UTC (UK) »
1851 census

HO107  Piece 1795  Folio 79 Page 20
Wetheringsett, Suffolk
David ROSIER  head    27  Farm Labourer   Gislingham
Ann ROSIER wife    21                            Debenham
Benjaman BROWN    visitor  19 Maltster     "
   
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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:06 UTC (UK) »
A widowed David Rosier, 55, ag lab b Redgrave, Suffolk, appears in Wetheringsett in 1881. A son, Jarvis Rosier, 10 b Wetheringsett, is with him (as is a 68 yr old housekeeper).

RG11/1852/122/32
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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:08 UTC (UK) »



   A death for Ann      Hartismere      Sep 1870 age 41.

  It could be she went to live with aunt & uncle and just stayed.

                Tazzie
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:10 UTC (UK) »
Ann not at home in 1861, so maybe that's why Harriet was with aunt - and as Tazzie says, just stayed

1861 census
RG9 Piece 1148 Folio 153 Page 22
Wetheringsett
David Rosier  head m 36 Ag Labourer   Gislingham
Jessa    "       son        10                    Wetheringsett
William  "         "            5                          "
   

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Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #13 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:11 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Friday 06 March 09 17:06 UTC (UK)
A son, Jarvis Rosier, 10 b Wetheringsett, is with him

Jarvis seems to be David J. Rosier in 1891, in service in Cottingley, Yorks: RG12/3534/25/5

...and simply David Rosier at birth reg, Jun 1870 Hartismere 4a 559.  I wonder whether his mother died of complications from the birth.

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London: Pierce
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Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
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Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: HELP I have hit a brick wall!!!!
« Reply #14 on: Friday 06 March 09 17:12 UTC (UK) »
Oh dear, Ann is a patient in 1861 at Woodbridge, in the Lunatic asylum  Undecided

RG9 Piece 1171  Folio 40 Page 13
Melton District Lunatic Asylum, Woodbridge
Ann Rosier  patient  33  no age or birthplace given


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