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ShirleyX
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I would like the names, addresses and opening times of the societies in the area of Tipton, Dudley as I am planning a visit in May.
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Dudley, Tipton, Worcestshire - ATTWELL, FISHER, RICHARDS, INCE, SHEERWOOD
Greenock, MANNERS, CAMPBELL, MONTGOMERY, LECKIE
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Yegvard
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Hi Shirley,
The big society in the midlands is The Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry (BMSGH) http://www.bmsgh.org/. With about 5,000 members they cover Worcestershire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire. Besides the Birmingham branch there are 8 local branches and one in London. Go to for the details http://www.bmsgh.org/branches/branch1.html and for "What's on" http://www.bmsgh.org/prog/progr.html
Good luck and Happy Hunting
Mike
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HANDS, HANDES, HANNS, HANNES, HANNE, HANNON (Yardley to Bromsgrove)
MIL(L)WARD, COTTERIL, CLULEE, IZOD, HASSALL, TODD, STRATTON, JAKEMAN, JENNINGS, MOLE, ALLCOCK north Worcestershire
WATERS, Thurzo, Sutherland> Bishopswearmouth, Durham
GARDNER, Solihull; TOLLEY Birmingham, Warkickshire
HUMPHRIES, Meifod, Montgomeryshire>Bilston, Staffordshire> Manchester & Texas and Kansas, USA
JAKENS, BIRD, CRAPPER Bury, HIGGINBOTHAM, HORRIDGE, Lancashire
LEO, Galway/Tipperary, Ireland
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philheeks
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Hi There
If you want to get at parish registers you could also try Worcester History Centre as its in the city centre & not far from Foregate Street railway station - you will find parish registers for the whole county there & it is recomended to book a reader in advanse (most of the registers are on film) as its a very popular research facility in Worcestershire. I beleive that Dudley library also hold parish registers but I dont know the size of their holdings.
All the very best
Phil
ps I can recomend the History Centre & the staff are more than helpfull as well
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Worcestershire - Heeks, Maiden, Pinchin, Hartland, Tredwell, Holliday, Morton, Collins, Aldington, Saunders
Oxfordshire - Gomm, Hamblet, Austin, Winter,
Herefordshire - Lowe
Radnor - Lowe, Powell
Gloucestershire - Holliday, Pinchin
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ShirleyX
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Thank you Phil and Mike
Phil can you give me the opening times of the Wocester History Centre.
Shirley
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Dudley, Tipton, Worcestshire - ATTWELL, FISHER, RICHARDS, INCE, SHEERWOOD
Greenock, MANNERS, CAMPBELL, MONTGOMERY, LECKIE
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willow154
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Hi Shirley,
Are you making the trip to look for anything in particular?
I've been researching my ancestors who came from Dudley Port , Tipton - I found lots of the records were at Sandwell Archives.
Phil is right in that the Worcestershire Library and History Centre are extremely helpful - I haven't visited, but they've helped me many times with telephone and email enquiries. They do have records for Dudley; and so do Dudley Archives, which is situated at Coseley.
If you give us an idea of what you want to find when you visit in May, we'll have a better idea of where to advise you to go, and can give you sites which will tell you the opening times, etc.
Paulene 
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ShirleyX
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Hi Paulene
To be honest I'm quite stuck with brick walls. I was hoping to locate graves which might give me indication of other details, bdm's.
I'll tell you what I know and you might be able to best suggest where to start.
William Attwell (b c1806?) Dudley married Maria Richards (b c1806? ) 6 Oct 1823 at St Thomas, Dudley. William died I believe Dec Qtr 1851 in Dudley. I have checked the transcriptions on line for St Thomas but cannot locate him. I've tried a couple of other church records but to no avail. I really have no idea where he is.
William and Maria's children are
Clemantine b 1828 Dudley married William Guest c 1845. Clemantine died Dec Qtr 1907 West Bromwich
William b 1831 married Sarah Gwinnell Mar Qtr 1858
Casiah - there are variants of her name, b 1 Feb 1835 Tipton, I think she married a Patford.
Isaiah b 1 Oct 1836, d 1891 Dudley ( I have some info on his children but at this time I am not looking deeply into this) I think he married Margaret Wynn Jun Qtr 1876
John Joseph - no need to follow this up as I have most of his details. He is my immediate ancestor
Louisa b 1844
Josiah b 1850.
Maria I believe married William Ince - this from 1861 Census.
I am mainly searching for burials - where, when and cause of death. Where are they buried. Also what was William's occupation, and who were William and Maria's parents. I have not been able to locate any wills.
Because I am only in the early stages of this research I don't have much info apart from census details. I would be most grateful for any info on this family.
I am also going to Greenock and Dumbarton to research my Manners family - looking for similar info, though I have been doing much more on this family I have a lot more to go on.
The other reason for my visit is to find information regarding blacksmithing. I am planning on writing a history of blacksmithing using my Manners family as a case study because they were involved in various aspects of this craft. From, mariners to carpentary on ships to making tools during the industrial revolution. My 3x great grandfather continued the trade of blacksmith in Australia in the agricultural industry.
Hopefully I'll still have some time for sightseeing as well.
Shirley
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Dudley, Tipton, Worcestshire - ATTWELL, FISHER, RICHARDS, INCE, SHEERWOOD
Greenock, MANNERS, CAMPBELL, MONTGOMERY, LECKIE
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willow154
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Hi Shirley,
I think I can help!
because, as I said, I've spent a year or more trying to track down my own rerlatives/ancestors I've got several lists, etc to help me. (I live quite a way from Staffordshire, and don't drive).
And I've found the following MIs, so far:
West Bromwich - St. Peter's.
Josiah son of William and Maria Attewell who dies Feb 29 1865 aged 23 years
In loving memory of William Guest who died August 30 1894 aged 71 years. Also Clementine wife of the above who died Oct 28 1907 aged 83 years. Also Sarah Ann daughter of the above who died Dec 20 1885 aged 27 years.
I'll see if I can find anything else, Shirely.
Fingers crossed.
Paulene
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willow154
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And, Shirley, this is a good site on which to find births, marriages and deaths.
If you look down the choices on the left hand side you will see it says West Midlands BMD - it's like FreeBMD but more specific.
So, if you put, for example, name William Attwell, death 1851 - it will tell you that he died in the Tipton area, rather than just Dudley district. I find this useful in narrowing down the options when you have a few to choose from. You can also order certificates from them, rather than GRO.
I've even found one or two registered that I couldn't find on FreeBMD!
http://www.bmsgh.org/index.html
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willow154
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Shirley, I'm having trouble finding William and Maria Attwell on the 1851 census - can you tell me where they were living please?
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willow154
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Found a death in 1894 (Dudley area) for a Kezia Petford.
If you can't find her death at Dudley St.Thomas, try Dudley St. Edmund. If not not there, try Dudley St. James and Dudley St. Johns at Kates Hill.
I, like you, looked for burials for my lot from Dudley Port at Tipton, etc - then tried Dudley st. Thomas and St. Edmund - nothing. So, went further afield (much further) and couldn't find anything. Then one night I came upon a site, quite unexpectedly telling me about St. John's at Kates Hill. This, and it's sister church, don't get mentioned quite so much as the other two, and I'd never come across them before.
I found that the records were in Dudley Archives, and I would have to pay for them to search the burial records for me - even though I had a precise date of death. But, I found that the MIs for the church had been transcribed and were at Worcester Library and History Centre. I rang them and asked if the name of my ancestor was on the list for a particular year, and it wasn't; but his son's name (who died twenty years later) was! This sounded promising so I then found that the registers had been transcribed by the Friends of Dudley Archives, and emailed the lady. The cost of the transcription was far cheaper than paying for the search by Dudley Archives.
http://www.communigate.co.uk/bc/fdalhs/
It's possible that if you can't find William's burial (1851) at Tipton or West Bromwich, he might be at St.Johns - St. Johns is only about one and a half miles from Dudley Port, Tipton. However, try West Bromwich All Saints and Christ Church first, as Josiah is at West Bromwich. (Sandwell Archives)
http://www.laws.sandwell.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/leisure-and-culture/local-history-and-heritage/community-history-and-archives-service/contact-us/
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ShirleyX
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Thanks Paulene for all your help. I had no idea that there were so many churches and burial places in the district. I'm certainly learning a lot of geography with this genealogy hobby. I'll go through your suggestions one by one.
William and Maria on are the Tipton Census 52 Dudley Road, HO 107/2029, pt 3, 2.15. in 1851 but it is not William Attwell.
This is where I discovered that William Attwell must have died and Maria had married William Ince. The census states: William Ince head 52 Labour Walsal, Maria wife 42 Tipton, Casiah Atwell duag 19 Tipton, Annmaria Atwel daug 16 Tipton, Isaiah son 14 Iron worker Tipton, Joseph son 12 Iron Worker Tipton, Josia son 9 Scholar Tipton, Louisa daug 7 Scholar Tipton.
Seems that William Ince moved into the house where Maria was living as it is the same address as the 1841 census. I'd love to know the circumstances for this. Did William marry Maria out of love or obligation or something else?
By the way, who is the family you are searching in this district?
Shirley
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Dudley, Tipton, Worcestshire - ATTWELL, FISHER, RICHARDS, INCE, SHEERWOOD
Greenock, MANNERS, CAMPBELL, MONTGOMERY, LECKIE
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philheeks
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Hi Shirley
The opening hours of the History Centre are each day 9.30am till
Mon 7pm
Tues 5.30pm
Wed 5.30pm
Thur 5.30pm
Fri 7pm
Sat 4pm
When you book a reader )if you go that is) I would recomend number 1 as its very close to the parish register films & on a corner so you have plenty of room to spread out
All the very best
Phil
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Worcestershire - Heeks, Maiden, Pinchin, Hartland, Tredwell, Holliday, Morton, Collins, Aldington, Saunders
Oxfordshire - Gomm, Hamblet, Austin, Winter,
Herefordshire - Lowe
Radnor - Lowe, Powell
Gloucestershire - Holliday, Pinchin
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willow154
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Hi Shirley,
Sorry for the delay in replying - was out yesterday.
My ancestor was Thomas Adams, born around 1785 ? Staffs (say so in 1841 census - but can't find him  ) He's my brickwall - he's missing on the 1851 census, which would tell me is birthplace - even though he died at Dudley Port in 1859 (this is where he should be in 1851). He was an iron moulder/blast furnace manager.
It's odd because another of his sons and family are missing, too - even though all his children's births are registered at Tipton!
Thomas's elsest son, Edward Adams, is till there in 1851, living just down the road from your family He was as iron moulder/blast furnace manager, too. He, and his family moved from Dudley Port to Stanton by Dale, Derbyshire in 1853 - he became the manager of Stanton Ironworks.
If you find your family, on the 1851 census, yours are on image 15 - my ancestor, Edward, is on image 25.
Wonder if they knew each other? I bet they did!
Now, back to William and Maria - did you know that William Ince died in 1854? It looks to me (but, please correct me if I'm wrong) that Maria married again in Sep qtr 1855, to James Williams, and engineer - Marriages Sep qtr Dudley 6c 66.
I found them on the 1861 - and the Attwell children are there, but with a similar surname tarnscribed with an 'O' on ancestry - RG9 Piece 2045 Folio 128 Page 38.
But that's the point, after 1861, that I'm having trouble finding what happened to them next.
Searching for my ancestors (for over three years now) is the reason I've picked up information about the area - looked for Thomas in 1851 page by page of the returns, but I'm blowed if I can find him, or his son William Dudley Adams  
If I find anything else, Shirley, I'll let you know.
Kind regards,
Paulene
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