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Topic: Orr family- Lurgan to Brazil (Read 1932 times)
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aghadowey
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LDS = Latterday Saints (also know as Mormons) www.familysearch.org
IGI = International Geneealogical Index which is part of LDS website
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KatC
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Cissy can stand for names like Frances, Priscilla, Cecelia or it can just be a name for "sister" used by a daughter in one of the Clarke families, not necessarily Anna Rosaline's sister.
In times like this, comparing the signature in PRONI's Covenant to the marriage record signature can be the best way to name the lady by her proper name. She should be over 21, I assume, to be a witness.
When you are at PRONI, you might check their Freeholder records as your families sound prominent enough to perhaps be paying taxes in the 1820's.
I left Anna Rosaline's name off the marriage listing as you have her information.
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vroborr
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Thomas Clarke farmer
. +Ann b: Abt. 1820 (says 82 in 1901)
What is (Abt.) mean?
Where i know about the place (last address, i know The Turmoyra House, Lurgan) and the date of deaths of John Atkinson Orr and Sarah Wilhelmina Ruddell Orr (between 1880 - 1930)?
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aghadowey
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Abt. = about which means the date is around 1820 but exact date not known.
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KatC
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This was provided by someone on-line under Armagh Marriages about a marriage at Parish Church in the parish of Drumcree north of Portadown.
3 Dec 1846
John ORR, under age, bachelor, farmer, parish of Loughgall
William Orr, farmer
Hanult ATTKINSON, under age, spinster, --, parish of Drumcree
Dick? (could be Arch or Rich) Attkinson, farmer
Married in the parish church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland, by license, Chas Alexander, Rector
John Orr, Hanult Attkinson,
William M Creery, Simon Jackson
If the Atkinson has any family meaning in Samuel's name, then this may be where your Orr family was from.
Oddly, there is a book on-line which mentions Walter Clarke born long before the one in your family who had Loughgall/Atkinson ties. There are also people researching linen manufacturing Orrs in Loughgall with some references to a cemetery. John is not in Griffiths there and should be listed somewhere. There is a William with perhaps 18 acres per one record later on. I would talk to the people familiar with the name and area to see what they have learned. There are many William Orrs in Armagh.
I can not see the occupation of John in the marriage record I have. Ge... and (Ste?)wart is all I can make out. This may be important. Any connection with the above Orrs might mean he is relatively well off.
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vroborr
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Do you know about the parents of Martha McClelland? She was born, i don't know where, but in 1859.
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dwdaorr
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Hello, I'm Edward Orr, i'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, my grandfather, Samuel Edward Derek Orr was born on 12th August 1914 at 37 University Road, Belfast. I want to know about his baptism, where and when was it and the Church.
If do you have any records, reply me please.
Regards,
Edward R. Orr
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aghadowey
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Welcome to Rootschat Edward but it is difficult to get such recent information online (1914 is less than 100 years ago after all) and to look up church records (if they exist) you either need to know where the family went to church or what religion they were and where they lived to find churches in the area and then search from there.
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dwdaorr
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The parents os Samuel E. Derek Orr was Samuel Robert Orr and Anna Rosaline Orr, they came to Brazil in 1915.
They married at the Manor House by the First Presbyterian Church in Lurgan.
If possible, i want to know the correct place where they was born. Samuel R. Orr was born on 03 Apr 1879, he lived at Turmoyra House, and Anna Rosaline Orr (Clarke), was born on 07 Sep 1882, she lived at Manor House, Lurgan.
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aghadowey
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The parents os Samuel E. Derek Orr was Samuel Robert Orr and Anna Rosaline Orr, they came to Brazil in 1915.
They married at the Manor House by the First Presbyterian Church in Lurgan.
If possible, i want to know the correct place where they was born. Samuel R. Orr was born on 03 Apr 1879, he lived at Turmoyra House, and Anna Rosaline Orr (Clarke), was born on 07 Sep 1882, she lived at Manor House, Lurgan.
How to obtain this information was mentioned earlier in this thread:
You may not be aware of this, but civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages in Ireland started in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages) so before those dates there are no certificates. For earlier records you need to check church records (if they exist).
Also, death certificates do not list place of burial and most Presbyterian churches do not keep burial records (although many Presbyterians are buried in Church of Ireland graveyard).
Index to Irish Civil Registrations:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
For example: Samuel Robert Atkinson ORR birth Apr/June 1879 Lurgan registration district volume 1 page 772
These are the details needed to order his birth certificate from GRO, Dublin which will give exact place of birth:
www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
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dwdaorr
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Martha Whiteside McClelland Clarke was born in 1859, mother of Anna Rosaline Clarke (my great grandmother), she married with Walter Clarke in 1880 and registered in Banbridge, i think on LDS Church. If possible, i want the names of her parents.
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dwdaorr
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Reading about the wills, i found two Samuel Ruddell, this is from Turmoyra, i think this is the real.
Forename: Samuel
Surname: Ruddell
Date of Death: 15/07/1874
Date of Grant: 02/04/1875
Effects: Effects under £600
Registry: Armagh
Full Abstract:
The will of Samuel Ruddell late of Turmoyra in the County of Armagh Farmer deceased who died 15 July 1874 at the same place was proved at Armagh by the oaths of Mary Ruddell of Turmoyra (Lurgan) Aforesaid the Widow and George May of 14 University street Belfast Merchant two of the Executors.
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dwdaorr
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I'm reading about Mr William R. Priest Eccles, he was son of Mr William Gelderd Eccles and Mary Ruddell, both from Turmoyra House.
W. R. P. Eccles was a Lawyer, he was born in 1867.
I want to know if he was married, who was his wife and when did he die?
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