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Archie & Ruby
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I am doing some research for my "aunt" - really my mother's second cousin. Family lore has it that one of her ancestors was a Miss TEMPLETON, whose family owned a company called Ayr Wools. Miss TEMPLETON ran away with the gardener, whose surname was CAMPBELL.
I have traced back Thomas CAMPBELL, who I think would have been a son of this marriage, to 1851 in Gillingham, Kent, where he was a Private in the Royal Sappers. He is age 21 and was born in Glasgow. This could fit if his parents ran away from Ayr.
I have searched Ayr Wools on the internet with no success, but did find an old knitting pattern by a firm called Templetons. Would this be the family? I have assumed they lived in Ayr from the supposed name of the company....
Any information, help and advice from someone with local knowledge would be really helpful. I would like to know if there is any truth to the story and, if at all possible, what the names of the runways were - anything more would be a real bonus!!!
Diana
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hume
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Hi Diana, 
Really interesting story, and it would be great if you could get some sources to back it up. I'm assuming Thomas did marry some time after the 1851 census - have you got that certificate? It should give his father's name and occupation (presumably a gardener or similar).
Any idea on his children's names? If he followed common Scottish naming patterns, his parents' names could appear in order.
hume
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hume
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Also, there are 4 female Templeton marriages to male Campbells between 1820 and 1845 in Scotland. Here they are:
Agnes Templeton and Alexander Campbell, 1831, Kilwinning, Ayrshire
Elizabeth Templeton and Thomas Campbell, 1835, Barony (Glasgow)
Margaret Templeton and John Campbell, 1827, Barony (Glasgow)
Mary Templeton and Samuel Campbell, 1833, Dalrymple, Ayrshire
Searching for Campbell births with Templeton mothers in the same period brings up two results, both to Samuel and Mary Campbell; Elizabeth b. 1835 in Ayr and William b. 1838 in Dalrymple.
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Hi Hume
Many thanks for your replies and the information re the TEMPLETON & CAMPBELL marriages. As Thomas CAMPBELL was 21 in 1851 he would have been born c 1830, which would make the 1827 marriage the most likely of the four you detailed.
In 1851 there was also a Private Robert CAMPBELL at Brompton Barracks in Gillingham. He was 21 and born in Glasgow just like Thomas. They could be twins, cousins or no relation at all!
From the IGI I think Thomas CAMPBELL married Frances Maria HUBBARD at Greenwich in 1853. A trip to the London Metropolitan Archives is on my list of things to do and Friday is looking the best day at the moment. Once I have the name of Thomas's father that should be a help.
As for the names of the children of Thomas & Frances Maria CAMPBELL they were Thomas Henry (1854), Malcolm (1856), Florence Maria (1858), Agnes (1862), Fanny (1866) & Grace (1867). Malcolm and Agnes both sound quite scottish, but that could just be Shakespeare and Dr Finlay influencing me!!
I will report back when I have checked the Greenwich church registers.
Many thanks once again,
Diana
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Diana and Hume
This looks to be the Templeton's tree www.thespeeds.com/genealogy/speeds/legacy_files/richardspeed/f28.htm#f34 Going by the years, you might be able to match the daughters' names to a marriage entry that Hume has provided. For example, a Mary Temple is showing on this tree as having married a Samuel Campbell, one of the marriage entries on Hume's list. However, unlikely parents to your Thomas going by their 1841 census entry:
Samuel Campbell 30, independent
Mary Campbell 25
Elizabeth Campbell 6
William Campbell 2
James Campbell 10 Months
Address: Potterston, Dalrymple Ayrshire
Not seeing any other possibilities for marriages though amongst the daughters - the tree seems well researched. Hopefully you will find further info in the church registers
Monica
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Archie & Ruby
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Hi Monica
Many thanks for that information and the link to the tree. I'll have a good look at it later on today as I'm getting myself ready to go out in half an hour or so. My original plans for the day have fallen through, so I'm off to look at the church records. Hopefully they will give a bit of a pointer as to where to start looking next.
Regards,
Diana
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Hi everyone
Well, I went along to the London Metropolitan Archives today and found the marriage of Thomas CAMPBELL to Frances Maria HUBBARD at St. Mary Magdalene Church in Woolwich on 23rd July 1853. Thomas's father was called John CAMPBELL and he was a corporal in the Royal Sappers & Miners! The witnesses were James DAMPLIAS? & Elizabeth JONES.
I have just been trawling through Ancestry to try to find a possible match with John CAMPBELL - so far with no success. There are a great many John CAMPBELLs in England, who were all born in Scotland! Why didn't they see fit to say where in Scotland? I have found a couple of gardeners and a couple of Chelsea Pensioners, but they are all too young to be credible fathers to my Thomas.
My aunt was never sure if Thomas was the son of the runaways or the grandson and I'm now thinking that he must be the grandson although there is no reason why a gardener couldn't change career and become a soldier.
Any suggestions on how to progress this further will be very welcome indeed.
Diana
P.S. It does look as if the 1827 marriage could be the right one!
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I'm just starting a branch of my family tree and have a Margaret Templeton Campbell born 16/10/1902 whose father was John Campbell. I know this is a lot later but just wondered as names are passed down if these are descendants from yours? I haven't worked any further back yet.
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Hi Coffeeandcake
I wasn't expecting any more contacts regarding this post, so it's really nice to hear from you. Whereabouts is your Margaret Templeton CAMPBELL?
Thomas CAMPBELL and Frances Maria HUBBARD didn't have a son called John as far as I know. Their known children were:
Thomas Henry CAMPBELL, born 17th April 1854, Woolwich
Malcolm CAMPBELL, born 1856, Woolwich
Florence Maria CAMPBELL, born 1858, Knellar Hall,Twickenham
Agnes CAMPBELL, born 1862, Gillingham, Kent
Fanny CAMPBELL, reg Q1 1866, born Gillingham
Grace CAMPBELL, born Gillingham 1867
I don't know if Thomas CAMPBELL had any brothers or sisters. His father was John CAMPBELL, a Corporal in the Royal Sappers and Miners, who came from Scotland. That's all I know for certain. We think it was the wife of John CAMPBELL who was Miss TEMPLETON of Ayr Wools, but she may have been his mother or even grandmother....
Please let me know if you have any success in tracing your family back further as the combination of the two names sounds promising.
Regards,
Diana
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