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WelwynGC1
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 02 April 09 10:47 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Pete, l have some time off next week and a visit to the library is definitely on the cards.....The wood merchants on the A414 is called Tylers l think, they are on one of the private roads out of the Hatfield Park estate.

Researching my family tree as l am, my 
grandparents on my Mums side were both raised in the Hertford area. One street they lived in still exists though l dont know if the houses are new (Thornton Street).

Others lived in Ash Street on the Ware Road but this no longer exists. I would like to know where it was exactly, and you having been there as a PC, l wonder if its possible that the Police buildings on the Ware Road were maybe on the original site of Ash Street, working on the assumption that something would have to have been demolished to build new? Census says Ash Street,Ware Rd.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 02 April 09 19:24 UTC (UK) »

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/Internet/res/filestore/dnld_developmentplan/Appendices5

From a few years back...Mentions Gatehouse with Porters's Lodge, but not exactly sure if it is in the area you are questioning...J.J.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 02 April 09 19:27 UTC (UK) »

This mentions the two cottages spoken of previously which seem to be part of the existing structure...

The gate-house, standing at the north-west of the west front, indicates the position of the north-west angle of the old west forecourt. It now faces into the High Street, and is a rectangular building of brick with an archway running through it near the north end. The porter's small room is to the north of this archway, but to the south of the entrance the gatehouse has been converted into two cottages, which have undergone much repair.

more about a fifth of the way down...details of it's location and surrounding area...

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43587
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 02 April 09 21:01 UTC (UK) »

I think that is going to be the gatehouse to hatfield house, which is part of the main estate still.

Hatfield Hyde was part of the old estate, but was more of a hamlet nearby. The place they put the halt (if we're right as to where it was!) was a bit remote.

Steve...had another thought, I can think of a gatehouse nearby, but it might be Cole Green - its on the old A414 opposite the turn off to Letty Green, its set back from the road...it wouldnt be on the GNR line though.

Ash Street.  The Ware Rd runs from the town centre roundabout up to just past the flyover. The houses on the left (heading to Ware) are at least Victorian, so it must have been on the other side. What year are you looking at? 

The Police station was built for the New Towns Act, so probably early 50's - originally Harlow was going to be policed by Hertfordshire, with the divisional headquarters at Hertford, hence Harlow nick was actually very small for the size of town (only remedied in the last few years), whereas Herford was a tad large !  Great place to work, quieter than WGC, although Stortford was always a good run on an assistance shout.

Cheers

Pete.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #19 on: Friday 03 April 09 05:03 UTC (UK) »

Thanks JJ for taking the time to post a reply, l reckon that one is Hatfield house connected too.

Thanks Pete, l think we already have the right location, its just a case of establishing a bit more about the current buildings history. If my sister speaks to the person she knows we might get some answers.

Ash Street, Ware Road, l was searching the 1911 census for my great grandparents and that came up as their address. 5 Ash Street, Ware Road.

I was familiar with the Ware Road as thats the usual route we take from Welwyn if we go to Harlow or to the Car Boot in the big field at Great Amwell.

Regards....Steve.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #20 on: Friday 17 April 09 17:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pete, l think l may have cracked it!!

1881 census has the family living at Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse GNR and that of course started the curiosity......

1891 Census has them  living at GN Crossing....entry no. 42

The previous entry no. 41 is called HOLWELL HYDE!!

The entry after...no. 43  is Ludwick Stud Farm

One of the children is down as being born at Welwyn Junction!!

BINGO!!

Only question that remains still is wether the remaining house is the same one or was it adjacent to that and long gone? 
Either way l think l have the correct location.  Fascinating.

Steve.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #21 on: Friday 17 April 09 17:39 UTC (UK) »

Fabulous Steve!!!!  Grin

Do you have this site? Maps on page, and with links as well...
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/h/hertford_north/index.shtml
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 18 April 09 04:53 UTC (UK) »

Thanks JJ, l have seen that, there is also a page for the one l am interested in, Hatfield Hyde Halt, and thats where l got the grid reference from.

I got in touch with Nick Catford on the site and he was very helpful.

That book that is mentioned, Hertfordshires Lost Railways is mostly old photos, and it does include a primitive looking Attimore Halt which would have bewen the next one up the line.
I am just waiting for my Sister to speak to the friend she knows to find out the history of the old building which still remains at what is now called Holwell Hyde.  The grid reference l mentioned puts Hatfield Hyde Halt, plum in the middle of the current Holwell Hyde.

We`ll never be bored will we!!

Thanks for posting........Steve.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #23 on: Monday 20 April 09 20:55 UTC (UK) »

I reckon you're on the right lines (ha!) , Steve.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #24 on: Monday 20 April 09 21:48 UTC (UK) »

Some genealogists would say that you were going off track ( Ho ), J.J.


p.s. glad that you are having fun...keep us posted...
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 04:47 UTC (UK) »

Just listening to Pat Metheny..........

LAST TRAIN HOME??

This could run and run!! (Or terminate here)

Steve.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 09 May 09 09:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi folks, just an update, my best pal has worked for the Land Registry for some thirty years and is going to do a bit of digging for me.

More soon (not hit the buffers yet).

Steve.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 05:23 UTC (UK) »

Will the train on platform one please get back on the rails!!

My pal at the Land Registry sent me the current map with the 1880 map overlaid in a different colour.
It shows the course of the old GN branch line to Hertford and there is one building.........get this....it almost exactly overlays the current gatehouse building, so l think we are nearly there (tickets at the ready)??

Pete, l think this may be the same 1880 map you mention earlier, l think it has to be the one because the details of residence l have are only a year later. (1881).

I can say with certainty that this branch (ouch) of my family lived right there or very close to it, just need to see the official history of the dwelling, not sure though how to go about it.

Steve.
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 08:39 UTC (UK) »

The census would show roughly when the house was built, although i expect it does not pre-date the railway.

Is there a date on the house itself?

Did you try the museum at Mill Green at all.

How about popping a note though the door, maybe the folks in there have an idea of the history?

Cheers

Pete
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Re: Hatfield Hyde Gatehouse
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 11:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pete, not sure there is any indication of when it was built on the census, but l will look again as l have the form and transcript.

I think l will write something to the current occupiers, but hopefully in a way that will make it interesting for them too.

I will also ask the postie to have a look and see if there is a date on it.

Funny though, l sort of have the feeling that it is the same place, know what l mean. (Im not getting sidetracked)!!

Steve.
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