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jackiedillimore
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« on: Tuesday 10 March 09 09:48 UTC (UK) »
Could anyone please help me with a look up in the 1861 census? I am looking for:

Charlotte Loader born 1854 Knighton, Dorset her mother i believe is Mary born 1824 Bradford Abbas, Dorset

Any help would be gratefully recieved

Kindest Regards
Jackie
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 10:54 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jackie,

  Do you have the family in any other census?


Regards
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genjen
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:00 UTC (UK) »
There is this possible entry:

RG9/1359/56/20  Beer hackett, Poor Houses

John Loader, 71, wid, Ag Lab, Lillingstone
Mary, dau, wid, Housekeeper, Beer Hackett
John, g/son, 9, Ag lab
Charlotte, g/dau,7
Martha        "    5

Jen
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:05 UTC (UK) »
And a second option:

RG9/1332/45/2 Blandford Road, Spettisbury

Philip Loader, 37, Carpenter, Spettisbury
Mary A, 38
Charlotte, 7
William t, 7
Louisa, 3
Sarah, 10 months

All born Spettisbury.

So, as mariac says, it would be good to find them in another census or to have any other information which might help to decide which, if either, of these two, is yours.

Jen
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jackiedillimore
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:08 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jen,

You are a star!!!!!!! thank you so much for the information it is very much appreciated. I will now try and follw these families in other census's.

Thanks again
Jackie
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:15 UTC (UK) »

This is one of my reasons for asking re other census

1891 Thornford  Dorset 
RG12; Piece: 1657; Folio 38; Page 1

Richard Warr b1808 Croscombe Dorset  Head
Charlotte Loader 1854  Knighton, Dorset stepdaughter

Marriages Jun Q1874   
Loader  Mary    Sherborne  5a 705   
Warr  Richard     Sherborne  5a 705


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jackiedillimore
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:19 UTC (UK) »
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its great when you can piece them together.

Kindest Regards
Jackie
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:35 UTC (UK) »
Not sure whether this helps or hinders but here are the Charlottes in 1871

Rg10/2017/48/2
Beer Hackett, Poor Houses
John Loader, wid, 80
Mary, dau, 47, wid, Bridport
Charlotte, 17, Glover,
Martha Mary, 15

Notice how Mary says she is John's daughter but is widowed and shares the same surmame. Is she actuallly a daughter in law or is she fibbing about her marital status?


And the other one.

RG10/1319/46/5
Ealing, Middlesex

Frederick Allen, 48, lawyer, London
Elizabeth Ann, wife, 58, Spottisbury
Charlotte Loader, Niece, 17, visitor,

Jen
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:42 UTC (UK) »

1881 Beer Hackett   Dorset  
RG11; Piece: 2116; Folio: 56; Page: 21

Richard Warr 1809 Corscombe, Dorset  Ag Lab
Mary Warr 1824 Bradford Abbas, Dorset
Charlotte Loader 1854 Knighton, Dorset glover daug
George Loader 1858 Rampisham, Dorset Ag lab grandson
Mary A. Loader 1861   do  granddaug  glover  granddaug
Henry G. Loader 1868  Knighton, Dorset Ag lab grandson
Elizabeth Loader 1877 Yetminster, Dorset  Granddaughter
Frederick J. Ellery1859  Compton, Dorset  Lodger

Not to sure what the grandsons/daughters means.
Mariac

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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:44 UTC (UK) »


Good point about Mary  Jen.
1881 census  also confuses things a bit more  Smiley
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:51 UTC (UK) »
John Loader ( aged 80 on 1871) had a daughter, Mary, of the right age, living with him and the rest of his family, in 1841 so it is quite possible that this is the same Mary who had several children but didn't marry until she met Mr Warr!
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 11:53 UTC (UK) »


The plot thickens Grin
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 12:01 UTC (UK) »
Can I ask Jackie, did Charlotte marry?

That might help to decide which of these two contenders is actually yours.

There is a death record for a Charlotte Loader, aged 54, in Dec 1907, Sherborne, which, if she didn't marry could be the right one.

Jen
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 12:09 UTC (UK) »
 
I was just looking at the same death Jen

We really need to find out who Charlottes parents are dont we? Otherwise we are just guessing. 
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Re: 1861 Look up Please
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 12:20 UTC (UK) »
Yes, we are guessing and I think the only way of being certain of who her parents were is, if she married, through a marriage certificate.

If she didn't, then the one who was with her stepfather in 1891 looks like the best option - still single, in Beer Hackett aged 47 in 1901.

Even so, her birth certificate is a tricky one. We have a choice of two:

June 1853, Sherborne, 5a/352

or

Mar 1854, Blandford, 5a/252

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N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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