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Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« on: Tuesday 10 March 09 10:04 UTC (UK) »

Has anyone heard of the Crown and Thistle Inn/pub in Gatehouse of Fleet?
It was in Fleet Street in 1871 as my Great, great great Grand Father was the Innkeeper.

Regards,

Colin.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 12 March 09 21:11 UTC (UK) »

Colin,
Don't despair if you're wondering why no reponse, you'll get one soon! Callywoods, who is from GOFleet and knows the buildings and history, is away basking in the sun  Roll Eyes I'm sure she'll find your post when she returns.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 March 09 15:40 UTC (UK) »

Thank you.

I have found out that the Crown and Thistle was there in 1837/8 and the Innkeeper was James Murray, but as yet I cannot find a trace of it (apart from the census) in 1871.

David Brackenridge was the Innkeeper that year. He married Agnes Hanning in 1872 if that helps.

Thanks again for your response.

Kind Regards,

Colin.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 March 09 16:19 UTC (UK) »

It helps a lot  Grin I personally don't know Gatehouse well, although I have visited, but Agnes Haining jumped out at me because Haining is a family name of Callywoods'. Her Margaret Haining, daughter of John Haining and Jane/Janet McAdam married James McMurray (with a Mc, but often recorded as Murray). I'll ask Callywoods to get onto it as soon as she gets home.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 March 09 16:21 UTC (UK) »

Forgot to say that Haining/Hanning is also interchangeable spelling.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 March 09 10:33 UTC (UK) »

Thank you very much.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 March 09 18:21 UTC (UK) »

I was interested to read that you have connections with the Crown and Thistle in Fleet Street.
I can tell you a bit about it.
In 1826 in Pigot's list (a local trade directory) one of 8 taverns listed in the town was the Scotch Crown run by James Murray
In 1837 among 16 innkeepers was the Crown and Thistle again run by James Murray
In 1852 the Crown and Thistle was not listed. This may have been because the landlord would not pay the charge for being included, as we know it was in existence in 1871.

I also found out a little about David Brackenridge.  He was a committee member of the local curling club and the AGM was held in the Crown and Thistle in 1864. I have found other info about David Brackonridge's sporting interests but looking at the dates some may refer to his son, another David?

Hope this is of interest.  Best wishes Mary
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 March 09 08:25 UTC (UK) »

Having read entry about Agnes Haining I am hoping someone maybe able to help clear up a mystery.
I have an Agnes Haining born about 1723 and married to a Thomas Clingan in Barrhead. This couple appear inscribed on the back of my Gt Grandfather/mother's stone at KPD but no one in the family can provide any details and so far I have drawn a blank.
Anyone able to provide any info please. For starters I didn't know  Haining/Hanning were inter-changeable.
Regards
Ian Clingan
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 March 09 08:55 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks for the information. I know that David's Son William (my direct decendent) was born in 1865. His Brother David may be the sporting person that you refer to. I am intested in him also and would be pleased to be made aware of anything that he did.
I assume that the 'fate' of the Crown &  Thistle was that it was demolished as I think only the Ship Inn remains in Fleet Street. I will be in Gatehouse of Fleet next month and I will do some searching.
To complete the picture, David's Son William left for Springburn in Glasgow. Sadly he had a leg amputated due to an accident whilst working as a Railway signalman. His Son David was a highly intelligent person (I am biased) who was the Father of my Mother Catherine. It would have been my Mother's 80th Birthday today.
I cannot thank you enough for helping me with the search.
Regards,
Colin.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 March 09 20:15 UTC (UK) »

Having read entry about Agnes Haining I am hoping someone maybe able to help clear up a mystery.
I have an Agnes Haining born about 1723 and married to a Thomas Clingan in Barrhead. This couple appear inscribed on the back of my Gt Grandfather/mother's stone at KPD but no one in the family can provide any details and so far I have drawn a blank.
Anyone able to provide any info please. For starters I didn't know  Haining/Hanning were inter-changeable.
Regards
Ian Clingan

Can't help you with your Haining mystery, Ian, but can add to the comment I made about the spelling of the name.  The OPR's have sometimes recorded "our" Hannings as Haining, but later the spelling is usually Hanning. Since I know they are the same people being referred to, it is always useful to try the variations when searching for them  Smiley

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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #10 on: Friday 20 March 09 08:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin
Glad you found the information useful.
You said that you thought the Crown and Thistle would have been demolished but I'm sure the building is still there. According to some local records it reverted to being a house and in 1921 a Mrs R McMillan was living there. Very little gets demolished in Gatehouse - its now a conservation area and many buildings are listed. I will try and find the exact building for you but it may be difficult. These taverns were no bigger than ordinary houses. The inns were bigger and more easily identified as they were hotels, not just drinking houses.
I will send you any other stuff I can find about the Brackenridges.
Cheers  Mary
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #11 on: Friday 20 March 09 08:58 UTC (UK) »

I am very grateful for the help that I am receiving.
Many thanks.
All of the information has proved to be very useful.

Best wishes,

Colin.
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 04 April 09 10:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin!

Good news!  I think the actual Crown and Thistle building has been found. I mentioned it to a local historian and he did some research.

The house is now 2 Bridge Terrace, the first house (quite a substantial one) over the brige, opposite the Ship Inn.

It wa built by James Murray about 1818. In 1833 he sold the property to William Henry and on his death in 1860 was bought by Mr Murray Stewart, a local landowner who owned it till 1896. During this time it would have been let to various tenants including Thomas Birtwhistle Tait, innkeeper and to David Brackenridge.

Best wishes Mary
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 April 09 19:40 UTC (UK) »

Hi Mary,

I do not know what to say. How can I thank you?
It means everything to me and my Family to know where my Great great Grand Father and his family lived.

I should have been in Gatehouse of Fleet with my W
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Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 08:02 UTC (UK) »

To the person asking about Agnes Haining (not Hanning). Agnes was the second Wife of David Brackenridge. Agnes died in Gatehouse on 23/07/1895.
A stone memorial was paid for by her Family and is in Girthon cemetery.
 
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