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Thomas Harney
« on: Tuesday 10 March 09 10:44 UTC (UK) »
I'm looking for any info on a policeman named Thomas M. Harney. According to the 1871 census for Abergele he was born in Wrexham in about 1850. I cannot find him in any other census pre or post 1871 or in the BMD indexes. I have been to the Denbighshire Archives at Ruthin and found him in the constabulary records but with little information about him.
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 21:21 UTC (UK) »
I found him in the North Wales Chronicle, in reports of cases where he arrested people.
April 1871 Abergele PC Harney
May 1871 Abergele, but he is PC Harvey
July 1877 Llanwrst PC Thomas Harney.

Like you I can`t see him elsewhere, but  oddly in 1881 there is a
John Harney aged 28 labourer b Wrexham living at London Terrace Llanwrst.
Wife Emma 26 and son John 3 both b Wrexham
Daughter Maggie 3 months b Llanwrst.
RG11; Piece: 5534; Folio: 5; Page: 3

Like Thomas this  John  is proving rather elusive.  Huh
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 12:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi wilcoxon - thanks very much for your help.

What you've found in the Chronicle does tie in with what I found in the Denbighshire Archives - that he was based in Llanrwst after working in Abergele/Pensarn. Are the North Wales Chronicle archives searchable online somewhere?

That John Harney is interesting. He's from Wrexham and living in Llanrwst too which ties in with Thomas - they could well be related. But like you say no sign of him before or after.

There is a Margaret Harney, born in Ireland, living in Wrexham in the 1871 & 1881 censuses. She was born in about 1830 and so is old enough to be Thomas' mother although she was unmarried.  Maybe she came over from Ireland with Thomas (and possibly John) sometime in the 1860s and settled in Wrexham??? Though if that was the case I don't know why they would declare themselves as being born in Wrexham.

Thanks again,
Gwyn
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 13:45 UTC (UK) »
Have sent a PM
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 May 09 19:22 UTC (UK) »
Just come across this. She is buried in Wrexham Cemetery, Ruabon Road.

 HARNEY  MARGARET  age   54.  3 SALOP ROAD. entry number  821  08/02/1888  grave number  00846

http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/community/genealogy/cemeteries_search/CemeteriesIndexSearchForm.cfm
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 May 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Wilcoxon,

She could be a relative of Thomas - I think she was the only Harney I could find in Wrexham. He definitely is a mystery - maybe her gravestone will have some clues.

Cheers,
Gwyn
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 May 09 13:49 UTC (UK) »
By the way, thanks for the newspaper archives tip - I've found mentions of a handful of other relatives in there.
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 November 09 08:36 UTC (UK) »
Hi, I spotted this information, but don`t know if these are police records you have already seen. they are at Hawarden.

http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/whats-happening/whats-happening/tt_news/9122/?tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=1030&cHash=034417f175
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 13:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi Wilcoxon,

Thanks for the post.

Those records mention Gwynedd and Clwyd and so I think must be more modern.

These are the Denbighshire Constabulary records that I looked through (parts of them anyway) in Ruthin:-
http://arcw.llgc.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?coll_id=2428&inst_id=29&term=denbighshire%20constabulary

They did mention Thomas Harney. I think it was the '1851-1948; description books of police officers' which came in two volumes that would have been of most use but the earlier of the two volumes wasn't in a fit enough state to be looked through unfortunately.

Thanks,
Gwyn
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 13:27 UTC (UK) »
I`ve  just come back from Flints records office, I had time to spare so I had look at the Flintshire Constabulary Description and Conduct book , starts 1857 , but your man isn`t there. Huh Oh well. Roll Eyes
The Gwynedd are much later, 20th C
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Re: Thomas Harney
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 November 09 18:38 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for taking the time to check.

I suppose another possibility is that he went on to work for Caernarvonshire police. I will check the archives next time I'm in Caernarfon but I think it's that off-limits volume in Ruthin that would give a lot of his biog.

Cheers,
Gwyn
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