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O1952
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My great great grandfather Gottleib Fredrich KILUMPP ,his wife Frietericke HEIMERDINGER and family from Stuttgart, Wuttemberg, Germany immigrant to Sydney on the ship "Peru" on the 17th January 1855. They arrived in Sydney 23rd May 1855 and then they subseqently arrived in Moreton Bay (Queensland) on 14th June, 1855. Gottleib was born 23/10/1812, died 10/4/1889 and Frietericke was born c1817, died 16/8/1857 Queensland Australia.
Gottleib's father was Gottleib Wilhelm KLUMPP (1788-1853) and his mother's Johanna Rosina Christiana KLEINMANN(3/6/1792 to 28/3/1843) both were born and died in Stuttgart, Germany.
His mother's father was Fredrich HEIMERDINGER and his mother was Catherine BENDER.
I am trying to trace the family before 1855 back in Germany, could someone please help me? Could someone confirm the information that I have given. Thank You
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PrueM
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Hello O1952 
Welcome to Rootschat!
I can't help with your German ancestry, but wondered whether you have read the various newspaper articles regarding your Klumpps in Queensland, which are available through the National Library of Australia website? For example there is one from 1857 concerning the death of Frietericke.
If you would like more details of where to look, just ask
Cheers
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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Peonie
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Hello O1952,
The Landesarchiv Baden Wόrttemberg shows the family emigrating from Stuttgart-Ost to Australia
in 1854
Gottlob Friedrich and Friederike, nee Heimerdinger and 4 children: Gottlieb Friedrich Wilh., * 23.05.1843 Sophie Catharine, * 28.10.1844 Friedrich Wilhelm, * 26.11.1846 Heinrich Wilhelm, * 03.05.1850
At the same time a Christian Josef Klumpp, also from Stuttgart ,emigrated to Australia with his family
Johanne Friederike,nee Baudistel and 2 children: Marie Rosine, * 25.01.1853 Christian Joseph, * 01.06.1854
Gottlob was a "Weingδrtner" Vine-dresser
Regards Peonie
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O1952
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Hi PrueM
Thank you for your help.
Yes Frietericke was my great great grand mother, both herself and her eldest son Gottlieb were killed by aboringine at Sandy Creek near the Logan River on their way home from Brisbane. I didn't know about the newspaper articles through the National Library of Australia, please send more details of where to look.
Thank you for your help if you find out anymore please send.
Cheers
o1952
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O1952
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Hi Peonie(mz)
Thank you for the information, I now have the children birth dates. I didn't know about the other familycoming to Australia from Stuttgart but he might be his brother or cousin. I will try to find out. I didn't know that he was a vine - dresser but he was a farmer here in Australia. If you find out anymore informatiion please send.
Regards
o1952
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Peonie
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Hi O1952,
there is a tree on A****** for Gottlob and Fredericke. Is it yours?
Regards Peonie
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PrueM
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Here you go:
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
This should bring up the main page with a search box. I just typed in "Klumpp" and a number of hits were returned. Click on the title of each one to view an image of the article. There are a couple regarding the murders and subsequent trial of the policemen who captured, but then lost, the man accused of the crimes. There's also a few about Gottlieb later on, selling up his cattle and then an ad announcing probate for his will.
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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O1952
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:)Hi Peonie
If the tree is on A******* and is T*** then yes it is mine. I will have a look. Thank You.
Regards
o1952
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O1952
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Hi Prue M
Thanks for the web address. It will be interesting to read the court case. I didn't know about Gottlieb selling up his cattle and the probate of his will. He later got remarried and the family moved and were pioneer in establishing the suburb of Mt Gravatt in Brisbane ,Queensland, Australia where a street is named after them ( Klumpp Road).
Cheers
o1952
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PrueM
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Well, do you know I used to spend a fair bit of time in that neck of the woods when my sisters were attending Griffith Uni,and I'm very familiar with Klumpp Road 
What a small world
Let me know how you get on with accessing the articles.
Cheers
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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O1952
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Hi PrueM
i had a bit of trouble getting in to the National Library using your address but I did find the articeles and I am about to sit down and read them. What a small world, I lived for the first 20 years of my life not far from Klumpp Road just down the road near the Garden City Shopping Centre.
Well have a good day. Hope to hear from you again.
Cheers o1952
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Freshie
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Hi 1952
I also am descended from Gottlieb. I have quite a lot of information about him. Have a family history website about the Klumpps if you are interested.
Jilly
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O1952
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Hi Jilly
It is nice to hear from someone who is related to Gottleib and YES I am very interested in the website. Could you please send me the web address. It is funny to hear from you as a friend of mine just contacted me to say that she meet a Robert Cummingham who is also related to Gottleib. I don't know yet which side of the family, whether it is Henry, Frederick, Sophie or John. I will let you know.
Thank you
o1952
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Freshie
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Robert is my first cousin. I am descended from Friederich through his son Frederick. My website is http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/ijfreshwater/chart.html
This will take you straight to the family tree. I have wirtten about the direct family members that I knew.
Are you descended through Henry? Or are you an Anger?
Jilly
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O1952
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Hi Jilly
Thanks you for the website address, I will look it up.
I am meeting Robert tomorrow at my friends place so that we can compare what information we have and I will say hello to him for you.
Henry William Klumpp was my Great Grandfather and his daughter Martha Julia married John Trim. They were my Grandparents. Their youngest son Colin Charles married Edith Emily Kettle, my parents. I am Olwyn, their youngest daughter.
I will see if I have any information that you don't after looking at the website and arrange to send it.
Speak to you tomorrow.
Olwyn
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