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laura0211
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Need some help.. re Collins
« on: Tuesday 10 March 09 22:10 UTC (UK) »
Researching the Collins family from the Dudley area.

Sarah Blaney Collins  born 10 October 1872, 33 chapel Street Primrose Hill Dudley to father Job Collins and Mother Eliza nee Cartwright. Sarah Blaney married Joseph Spittle in  1900 and was living in Wednesbury, the 1911 census shows her place of birth as Netherton - is this the same location as Dudley?

I've had very little success locating either Sarah Blaney or her parents on earlier census returns. The only thing I've found is a record of a Blaney Collins year of birth 1873 place of birth Netherton living with Benjamin and Betsy Nicklin at Union Street Wednesbury working as a domestic servant, she is listed as niece.

I could only see one marriage between a Job Collins and Eliza Cartwright - this was during 1868. I order the certificate and it shows Job and Eliza were married the parish Church Dudley - St Thomas'?, on 15 March 1868, Job was 19 Eliza was 18. Jobs occupation is recorded as a pattern maker as is his fathers who is recorded as Aaron Collins. Eliza's father is Thomas Cartwright a furnace man. The witness are William henry Collins and Elizabeth cartwright.

Would anybody recognise any of the above or give me any clues as to furthering my search.

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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 10:46 UTC (UK) »
Laura

   A Benjamin Nicklin married Betsy Cartwright in 1876 at St Andrews church Netherton Dudley.

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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 10:59 UTC (UK) »
Laura

Indexed as Joab Collens
1871 census RG10/3017   folio28  page 50
33,Chapel St.Netherton Dudley

Joab       21    carpenter        Staffs Round Oak(Brierley Hill)
Eliza       21                            ........ Tipton
Hannah  3                               ...............
Elizabeth 1                            ................

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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 11:13 UTC (UK) »
Laura

A possible...

Death Job Collins 1879 age 28  Dudley  vol 6c  page 70

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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 17:07 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: jacquelineve on Wednesday 11 March 09 10:46 UTC (UK)
Laura

   A Benjamin Nicklin married Betsy Cartwright in 1876 at St Andrews church Netherton Dudley.

Jackie.


Details of marriage, which shows you have the right one living with Ben and Betsy.
05/06/1876.
Benjamin Nicklin, full age, Bach,  Netherton, Father, John Nicklin, Furnaceman.
Betsy Cartwright. full age, Spinster, Netherton, Father, Thomas Cartwright. Furnaceman

Witnesses,
 Job Collins,   
Mary Ann Hasbury.
                                                                                                                                               
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 17:15 UTC (UK) »
Another connection in 1881, with Collins.


 Samuel ASBURY. Head. M.  51. Wednesbury, Stafford, Coal Miner.      
 Mary A. ASBURY. Wife.  M. 35. Bloomfield, Stafford, Coal Miner.      
 Thomas CARTWRIGHT. Father In Law. M. 60.      Tipton, Stafford,  Mill Furnace Man (I).      
 An. CARTWRIGHT. Mother In Law. M. 58. West Bromwich, Stafford,       
 Joseph CARTWRIGHT. Brother In Law. U. 34. Tipton, Stafford,  Mill Furnace Man (I).      
  Eliza COLLINS. Niece. 4. Primrose Hill, Worcester,

1 Grout St.
West Bromwich, Stafford,
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laura0211
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 18:33 UTC (UK) »
Just got back in from work. Thank you so very much to every one who has replied. I'll be busy tonight following up on all your leads, absolutely superb!!

I'm sure I'll be on again pretty soon for more help.

Thank you all again

laura Grin
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 23:00 UTC (UK) »
Update have discovered the following tonight...

Aaron and Hannah Collins. Children as follows

Joseph 1845
Thomas 1838
Aaron 1840
Samuel 1842
Jesse 1845
Eli 1847
JOB 1850
William Henry 1853

All boys!!!

William Henry was the witness at Jobs marriage to Eliza Cartwright. Will order one of  birth certs to hopefully enable me to go another generation back. Do believe that Job died young so will order death cert as per Jacs suggestion

"A possible...Death Job Collins 1879 age 28  Dudley  vol 6c  page 70"

Also regarding the marriage info for Ben and Betsy Nicklin. the witnesses are Job Collins and Mary Ann Hasbury I believe this Mary Ann to actually be Mary Ann Asbury nee Cartwright, IGI lists their marriage (extracted sourse) 9 June 1867... thanks again Jac and Jim.

Not having so much luck with the Cartwrights however...can't find Eliza anywhere... any ideas?

Thanks so much everyone again I am ever so grateful ;Dl
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 March 09 10:52 UTC (UK) »
There is another marriage for a NICKLIN to a CARTWRIGHT.

West Midlands Marriage, 1864.

CARTWRIGHT Samuel, NICKLIN Phoebe, West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office,   22/10/409.

Marriages Dec 1864.
BACON    Emma.        W. Bromwich    6b   1066.
CARTWRIGHT Samuel.    W. Bromwich    6b   1066.   
Nicklin    Phoebe.         W. Bromwich    6b   1066.   
Williams    Caleb.         W. Bromwich    6b   1066.   

1881 Census.
 Samuel CARTWRIGHT. Head. M.  44.      Cradely, Stafford,  Iron Puddler.      
 Phoebe CARTWRIGHT. Wife.  M.  43.      W Bromwich, Stafford,       
 Wm.H. CARTWRIGHT.  Son.  U.   19.      W Bromwich, Stafford, Puddler.      
 Phoebe CARTWRIGHT.  Daur. U. 15.      W Bromwich, Stafford,           
 Francis S. CARTWRIGHT. Son.   12.      W Bromwich, Stafford,  Scholar.      
Sarah CARTWRIGHT.      Daur.  9.      W Bromwich, Stafford,  Scholar.      

36 Church Vale.
West Bromwich, Stafford,

I wonder if this Sarah is Jobs Daughter.


Jim.
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 12 March 09 11:29 UTC (UK) »
Hi Laura,

You might find this link interesting there are a lot of Nicklins on it.

http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com/St.Andrew%27s,Netherton.htm
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laura0211
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 12 March 09 12:47 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Jim...the whole site is fascinating. I just hadn't realised there was so much information out there on the net..
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 12 March 09 13:23 UTC (UK) »
Hi Laura,  that link came from,

http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com/index.html

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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 12 March 09 19:10 UTC (UK) »
Laura
        You may already have these details ,but if not....

1841 census Kingswinford Staffs H0107/996   folio 40   page 11

Aaron Collins  25  Bellows maker? 
Hannah          25
Joseph            6
Thomas           3
Aaron              1

Possible marriage- Aaron Collins + Hannah Parsons  27May 1833 Sedgley Staffs (poss.All Saints)

Jackie.
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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 12 March 09 19:27 UTC (UK) »
Laura

1861 census Kingswinford Staffs RG9/2072  folio 135  page 11

Thomas Cartwright   40  iron wkr   Sedgley  Staffs
Ann                           37                  Dudley   Worcs
Mary Ann                   16                  Bloomfield Staffs
Joseph                      14                   .......          ......
ELIZA                         10                  ........         ......

Jackie
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Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Need some help.. re Collins
« Reply #14 on: Friday 13 March 09 17:35 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Jac - these are definately the ones. I wonder what happened to Eliza and the other children Hannah and Elizabeth? I can't find them anywhere. I suppose they all could have died before the next census as I believe Job did. Tragic but I suppose not uncommon in those days considering the conditions people had to live and work in.
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