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jacquie09
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I am trying to find the parents of Charles William Flowers. The infomation i have is he was born 1845 in Littleport, Cambridgeshire and served in the civil war. he married Rachel Priest in Ohio, Americia. His father was an anglican minister William Benedict Flowers but the dates donot add up.
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bedfordshire boy
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Welcome to RootsChat!
I agree that, from the online trees/data that I've seen, the dates don't add up for Charles William to have been the son of William Benedict. But has anyone suggested that they were father and son?
William Benedict Flowers should be well documented, given his time at Cambridge University. He is said to have been baptised at 23 March 1829 at Preston Capes, Northamptonshire, and didn't graduate until 1852, before taking up clerical duties at St John's Wednesbury Staffordshire. In the 1851 census there was a William B Flowers, 21, student at St Johns Cambridge, born Tonington Northants (which I can't find - but in 1861 his parents were living at Tuningham Farm House, Preston Capes. Tonington/Tuningham, who knows!). He appears on http://www.prestoncapes.org.uk/history/genealogy/search.php?pageNum_searchRS=3&totalRows_searchRS=41&forenames=&surname=flower&Submit=Search&q=1. For him to have produced a child Charles in Littleport Cambs in 1845 seems unlikely.
Which means that the Charles William Flowers born, so it is said, in 1845 at Littleport who must have emigrated at a young age to have served in the Civil War (1861-65) and who then married in 1871 and subsequently moved to New Zealand, wasn't the son of the vicar. Odd though that he may have had a son in New Zealand named William Benedict according to http://www.acwv.info/1-files/flowers-2.htm
Now the negatives
- his memorial stone implies a birth of 1843, yet the War Veterans site above gives the very precise birth date of 8 March 1845
- I can't see a birth registered on FreeBMD
- Littleport parish register isn't on either the IGI or the BVRI.
- there are no Flowers living in or born in Littleport in the 1841 and 1851 censuses
- there are no Flowers baptised in or buried in Littleport in the baptism and burial indexes 1801-37 on the Cambs FHS site at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
Do you have details of his marriage entry, which hopefully might name his father?
I would send an enquiry to the Littleport Society - see http://www.littleportsociety.org.uk/genealogy.html
David
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jacquie09
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Thank you so much for your reply. The Flowers family has always been a mystery. 1st on his Civil War docouments it has that he was born in Littleport.
2nd He married Rachel Priest who was meant to be an Americian Indian but wasn't as she was born in England and on their marriage certificate it has no parents names.
3rd It has come down the family Charles and Rachel married had two children then went back to England to meet his parents (as Hers were in Americia) then sailed to New Zealand on the Surat ( but there is no records of them on that ship)
4th On Charles Flowers Death Certificate it has his parents as William Benedict Flowers an Anglican Minister and his mother as Charlotte Cornwall ( which i can find no record of either) and it also has that he was born in Oxford.
This information would have come from Rachel his wife.
So now i think i mite be chasing the wrong family and i am really confused.
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bedfordshire boy
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It is mysterious!
But I think you have to start in Littleport, looking to see if he was baptised there, although as I mentioned yesterday, the omens don't look good as I can't see that there were any Flowers living there.
A pity that no parents are named on his marriage certificate.
I can find no marriage Flower(s)/Cornwa(e)ll, yet the detail on Charles' death certificate is so detailed that one wouldn't think it was invented by Rachel.
I can't find what happened to William Benedict after he graduated from Cambridge. I haven't been able to find him in any census. The only lead is a death of William Benedick Flowers in Penzance in 1855. Penzance is in Cornwall. If you're really desperate, after checking Littleport, it might be interesting to purchase this death certificate to see if he was a clergyman.
David
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jacquie09
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Thank you for your reply. That is funny that there is a William Benedict died in cornwall as that is were the other side of the family come from (Bone) There must be some conection to Charles and William Benedict because Charles named a son William Benedict. How do i go about getting a death Certificate for him as i am in New Zealand and it gets confusing for me.
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Galium
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Littleport is in Ely registration district. Searching for a birth in Ely district between 1843-1845 shows only two Charles Williams: surnames Porter and Macro, both born in 1844. There are quite a few Charles - but as you know, none named Flowers.
Possibly of interest is Charles CORNWELL, birth registered Jun Q 1845. The Civil War Veterans site gives Charles W Flowers' dob as March 2 1845 - which if registered a little late would appear in the April/May/June quarter.
In the 1851 census a six year old Charles Cornwell, born at Littleport is recorded there with his grandmother, Hannah Cornwell - no one else in the household.
I can't find him in later censuses, nor an obvious death registration.
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Galium
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Sorry, I meant to answer this yesterday - death certificates for England and Wales can be ordered online from:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
You need to register with this site before you can order - but that doesn't cost anything. A certificate costs £7, so long as you give the GRO index reference. This is the page and volume number which you will see when you look up an event on the GRO index - on a site such as FreeBMD.
When you have found the event you want on the transcribed database it is always advisable to check the original image, in case the transcription is incorrect. If you give the wrong details to the GRO you won't get your certificate.
In the case of the death for William Benedick Flowers, I think that FreeBMD have got the page number wrong.
If you encounter any problems there will always be someone here who can help 
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On the Cambridge alumni database William Benedict Flowers is listed as having entered St John's College on Jun 22 1848. He was born at Preston Capes, Northants, the son of Edward and Charlotte, and baptised Mar 23 1829. He was awarded his BA in 1852 and became curate of St James, Wednesbury, Staffordshire 1853-1855. The entry says that he disappears from the Clergy List in 1856.
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Galium
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The death of a clergyman is bound to be reported somewhere:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05tt/
I can't find anthing more informative, but this publication is from July 1855.
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