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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #135 on: Thursday 09 July 09 03:45 UTC (UK) »


 I wonder if the Couldrey was 'dropped' once in Aust. to cover up Edgar/Ernest's name change or if Stewart did it later? (Guess I'll never know).


Hi Loz

Hmmm  ... what year did "Stanley Stewart CAMERON" marry ?

It seems that if your Mum had known him as "Stewart Couldrey" ... then the name change must have come about just prior to his marriage (or enlistment) whichever came first ?

Interesting huh ?     Wonder though, if he was actually known as "Stewart" (or "Stanley") in these later years ?
You did find his death eventually   ... is that correct ?
Perhaps there is a death notice for him  ... which may give a hint as to what christian name he was generally known by ?

You know, in all of this HYDE / CAMERON saga, it is Iris who gave the "very best" clue (by stating on her marriage cert. that her father was "Ernest HYDE Cameron").   Cheesy    But you'd have to wonder too, if (in later years), some of the other children or family members, got "wind of" Ernest's "hidden past".   Huh   Cheesy

Glad you found the DORKS / Darks etc. etc.     Great !   Smiley

Lu
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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #136 on: Friday 17 July 09 12:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi Loz    Smiley


FASTEN  YOUR   SEAT   BELT  !!!                                        FASTEN  YOUR   SEAT  BELT !!!                                     FASTEN   YOUR   SEAT   BELT  !!!                                FASTEN   YOUR    SEAT   BELT  !!! 



http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

NZ TRUTH  -  5 December 1908  -     "HYDE'S  HIDE"


 Roll Eyes    [But look who else is implicated !]      Shocked


AND  ... if ever there was a "clincher" in all of this very involved saga, then this article IS IT !! Cheesy

Lu

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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #137 on: Friday 17 July 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »

  ---

THIS just sums up everything "nicely".


NZ TRUTH - 12 December 1908 - HYDE"S HIDE

THE SNIDE SCHEMES OF A LAND SHARK.      Shocked


[No wonder I could never find Adela (Amelia) ! ]     Wink

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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #138 on: Friday 17 July 09 14:14 UTC (UK) »

---        MORE !


NZ TRUTH - 11 July 1908 -  Page 5 -   

LAND SHARKS !    A PRECOCIOUS PAIR.




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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #139 on: Friday 17 July 09 14:33 UTC (UK) »

---       AMELIA    (ADELA)


NZ FREE LANCE - 10 July 1909 - Page 9 Advertisements - Column 1

Even though this is dated July 1909, I still think that the "Mrs CAMERON and children on the "Moana" to Melbourne in June 1909"   ... is Adela and the "kiddiewinks".    [Probably "shot through" in a hurry ... leaving "unfinished business? ?]

There's another reference too which details some land she acquired.

Bay of Plenty Times - 7 August 1908 - "Tauranga City Council"

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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #140 on: Saturday 18 July 09 00:16 UTC (UK) »

Lu !!!!

OMG !!!! Shocked

Well there it is - confirmation that Edgar was Ernest!!  So nice of the papers to print the details of his "private life" !!!!  That is brilliant!!!  (My grandfather, Jack, must rolling in his grave, right now!)

Thank you SO much for your on-going research into my g-grandfather's shady past!!  (though I must say - there are still plenty of Real Estate agents nowdays - pushing similiar schemes!!)

I wonder how/under what name Edgar left New Zealand?  He didn't appear to be on the ship with Adela and the children, not under 'Cameron' or "Hyde' anyway.  I wonder what happened to all the land that Adela (Amelia) owned when they fled to Australia??

thanks again Lu !!  Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #141 on: Sunday 27 September 09 05:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Just been reading all these messages about Couldrey and Hyde and mentions of Arbon.  Not quite sure which family you are researching but I have quite a bit on the Couldreys.

regards  Lynne
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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #142 on: Monday 28 September 09 08:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lynne,
Would be very interested to know what you have on the Couldrey's!  Are you a descendant and if so - whom?

Loz
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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #143 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 13:18 UTC (UK) »

I am a descendant of Thomas Couldrey & Mary Green. Thomas would have been born around 1715 and was a maltsman., probally in Abingdon UK.  His son Thomas* married Martha Moore in 1769. Their son another Thomas married Lydia Tomkins in 1805.  Their son William married Elizabeth Stopes in 1839. Then their son  you guessed it another Thomas married Martha Stevens  in 1879 in Maidenhead Berkshire UK. Their son Sydney born 1883 married Edith Mitchell who had a son called Thomas who was my Father.

The George Couldrey that first interested me in you postings, the one who married Maria Hyde was the son of William Couldrey whose father was Thomas Couldrey married to Martha Moore.  And therefore the brother of Thomas*.   The family tree was produced by members in England, Australia (where I come from), South Africa and New Zealand and Hong Kong.  Are you a decendant?   I don't understand the postings on Couldrey/ Stewart
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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #144 on: Thursday 01 October 09 01:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lynne,
Yes it does get very confusing.  George Couldrey married Maria Hyde, who was the sister of Thomas Hyde and Charles Hyde. Charles Hyde was my g-g-grandfather. he married Eliza Dorkes and they and some children emigrated to NZ in 1870.  My great grandfather, I now know as Edgar Hyde was born in 1876 in Auckland, NZ.  I am not a blood descendant of the Couldrey's - only by marriage.  I knew my great grandfather as "Ernest Cameron" - but have now found out that that was not his real name and feld from NZ to Australia amidst scandal!  Ernest/ Edgar kindly gave his youngest son the middle name of "Couldrey" (the surname of his Uncle George and cousins) - which helped us solve the mystery of who Ernest Cameron really was!

Was George and Thomas Couldrey, father William married to Sarah Stimpson?

Where in Australia are you? - I'm in Melbourne.
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Re: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query
« Reply #145 on: Thursday 08 October 09 11:40 UTC (UK) »

I have George Couldrey Born 4th Dec 1834, Married Maria Hyde 25th May 1863, His occupation was Mariner, and he died 26 July 1916.
His parents were William Couldrey and Sarah Stimpson. William was born 17 Jan 1785, Married 5 Nov 1826, Died 6 Jul 1846.

Williams parents were Thomas Couldrey and Martha Moore. ( I am decended from Williams Brother Thomas)

Thomas's parents were Thomas Couldrey and Mary Green..


I live in Melbourne also,  good luck with the research.

Lynne   
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