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Topic: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query (Read 3660 times)
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KiwiBrennan
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Hi Lu
Glad to help.
Thought you may have used the Auck City Library site which doesn’t have that extra info.
I found the marriage for that Catherine Susan Mary BOYD.
As it is less that 80 years ago, I will PM you the details.
Also it appears that this was her 2nd marriage as there are 2 names, neither of which show up on a search, so the first marriage must have been overseas.
Therefore still don’t know what her maiden name was…..
Bren
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lozzab
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Hi Lu,
I'm pretty sure now that Sarah and George Couldrey were brother and sister and another brother, Robert also came to New Zealand with his wife Emily Sophia (nee Thomas) and their daughter, also Sarah.
I found the family indexed under "Cowarey"[u][/u] in the 1841 Census
William Couldrey -Head b: about 1801 Abingdon, Berkshire, England - Porter
Sarah - wife b: 1803, Radley, Berkshire
Children
Emma - b: 1829
William - B: 1831
Edwin- b:1833
Ellen- b: 1834
George- b: 1835
Sarah- b:1836
Robert - b:1838
Elizabeth - b: 1840
so looks like George arrived in NZ in 1863 and set up business with Thomas HYDE and then sent for sister, Sarah who came out and married his good mate and business partner, Thomas HYDE, had one child to him (William John HYDE) and then died.
Brother , Robert, wife Emily Sophia and daughter Sarah, have also come out at some stage.
Loz
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lozzab
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I have also had a look at the HYDE families.
Thomas Hyde (1832)- (who married Sarah COULDREY) and Charles HYDE (1831)- (who was Edgar's father) were brothers from Buckdon, Huntingdonshire!
There were about 12 children in that family - their father being John HYDE (b:1800) and mother Mary ARBON. (They married 13/07/1829) - Buckdon. (I found them on the IGI)
In the NZ indexes - there is a marriage for a Herbert Arbon COULDREY marrying a Rose TRUST in 1907. I can't work out yet who his parents are - but the ARBON name has come from the HYDE family and been used by the COULDREY family! (Now - I'm getting confused!)
AS well as Thomas and Charles coming to NZ - two of their sisters, Martha and Harriet also went to NZ and married there.
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Eyesee
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1851
Thames St, St Nicholas, Abingdon
William COULDREY, head mar 50, Wine cellar man, born St Helen Abingdon
Sarah COULDREY, wife mar 48, born Radley
William COULDREY jnr, son unm 20, Carpenter, born St Helen, Abingdon
George COULDREY, son 16, Drapers Porter, born ditto
Sarah COULDREY, dau 15, Errand girl, born ditto
Robert COULDREY, son 13, Shoemaker, born St Nicholas, Abingdon
Elizabeth COULDREY, dau 10, Scholar, born ditto
HO107 1688 328 32
1861
Thames St, St Nicholas, Abingdon
William COULDREY, head mar 61, Miller, born Abingdon, Berks
Sarah COULDREY, wife mar 56, born Radley, Berks
Sarah COULDREY, dau unm 24, Needlewoman, born Abingdon, Berks
Robert COULDREY, son unm 23, Shoemaker, born ditto
Elizabeth COULDREY, dau unm 20, House work, born ditto
RG9 732 18 29
William snr is still around in 1871 and 1881 living in an Almshouse in Abingdon. He was a widower so Sarah died between 1861 and 1871.
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Eyesee
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1851
High St, Buckden, Huntingdonshire
John HYDE, head mar 51, Ag lab, born Hunts, Buckden
Mary HYDE, wife mar 41, born Cambs, Gravely
Charles HYDE, son unm 19, Ag lab, born Hunts, Buckden
Tom HYDE, son unm 18, Ag lab, born ditto
Benjamin HYDE, son 11, Ag lab, born ditto
Mary A HYDE, dau 10, born ditto
Susan HYDE, dau 7, born ditto
Harriot HYDE, dau 3, born ditto
Martha HYDE, dau 10mo, born ditto
Henry HYDE, brother unm 40, Ag lab, born ditto
HO107 1750 91 22
1861
High St, Buckden
John HYDE, head mar 61, Shepherd, born Hunts, Buckden
Mary HYDE, wife mar 51, born Hunts, Hemingford
Benjamin HYDE, son unm 21, Ag lab, born Hunts, Buckden
Harriet HYDE, dau unm 13, born ditto
Martha HYDE, dau 10, born ditto
Emma HYDE, dau 8, born ditto
RG9 981 145 15
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Lucy2
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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AS well as Thomas and Charles coming to NZ - two of their sisters, Martha and Harriet also went to NZ and married there.
Hi Loz
Martha HYDE (sister of Thomas and Charles), appears to be the lady whose marriage features in the PapersPast article (1891) - and where it is mentioned that "her bridesmaids were the two Misses HYDE and two Misses COULDREY - all of different families, but related".
["Observer" - 7 March 1891 - "Clevedon" ]
Marriage
Martha HYDE - Henry Umpton POYNTER - 1891
[He appears to have been a widower (m. Eliza PARKER - 1868 - reg'd. Berkshire) - a number of children born in NZ. ]
Deaths
Martha POYNTER - not showing up on Hist. online index ? - but buried with husband at Waikaraka Cem. - she died 27 September 1914 aged 64 (bc 1850).
Henry Umpton POYNTER d. 11 Feb 1918 - 72 yrs. (cem. record
states "d.o.d. - 1928" which is obviously an error).
[Both of Onehunga, Auck. - Probate records at Archives, Auckland.]
Can't find Martha or Harriet on passenger lists to NZ ?
EDIT : New information July 2009 from will of Eliza HYDE (d. 1931) which names her children, confirms that she didn't in fact have daughters named "Martha and Harriet". The Martha and Harriet HYDE who appear on the passenger list of the "Excelsior" (arr. Auckland 3/8/1870) along with Charles, Eliza, and children, now appear to be the sisters of Charles HYDE. (No ages are given on the passenger list to verify this.)
Lu
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lozzab
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HI Lu and others - thanks for your fantastic help!!
Found the other Hyde sister, Harriet's marriage - she married Alexander CRAWFORD 1873.
Back to the COULDREY'S - George and Maria (can't find their marriage - but she was listed on same ship as George in 1863)
Their children - Louisa b: 1866 (never married - died 1942)
Florence - 1870 (married Hector Hugh GEORGE in 1896 and
George b:1876 (married Jane Alexandina MUNRO in 1901)
Lu - in that marriage article - W. COULDREY was the bestman. I have found a William COULDREY marrying a Jessie Sutherland GEORGE (Hector's sister?)1901 but I'm not sure yet which COULDREY family HE BELONGS TO!!
George's brother, Robert and wife Emily Sophie, came out with one daughter, Bessie and then had another, Sarah.
So the bridesmaids must have been one of George's daughter's, one of Robert's daughter's, one of Thomas HYDE'S daughter's and one of Charles HYDE'S daughter's?
This is amazing from knowing nothing about this line just a few weeks ago to all this - it's great!!
Loz
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JustinL
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Loz,
Have you traced the Levy and Jones/Jonas families roots in London (Great Synagogue records, etc.)?
Henry had 8 siblings, and large number of uncles and aunts.
Justin
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Lucy2
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---- Edwin COULDREY
Died 1942 - aged 72 - (bc 1870)
... must be son of George and Maria ... can't see a birth rego for him in NZ ?
Lu
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Lucy2
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---- "Twin daughters of Mr and Mrs Charles HYDE - b. 1872"
Hmmm ... their births were announced in the local newspaper ... BUT ... have now checked the registration districts for births of four HYDE children that year ... AND ... it appears the twins were not officially registered.
[BIRTHS - 1872 - HYDE : Agnes Kate (reg. Wellington), Alfred Hammond (Nelson), Eliza Elizabeth (Cambridge) and Lily Maria (at Christchurch) ].
All the other children of Charles and Eliza seem to have had only a single christian name - so expect the twins did have too ?
Might be worth seeking a schools records look up to see if they can be found ? Edgar was 4 years younger and firstly at Clevedon School, then transferred to Tuakau school in 1884.
Lu
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Lucy2
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---- Ooooh ! And dig this !!!! 
Eliza HYDE - died, aged 99 years - in 1931 !!!
Have just found burials for Charles (1901) and Eliza (1931) at Tuakau Cemetery ... M/I's available too (will get these for you also).
So that 1901 probate is the correct one. (And I think there might be one also for Eliza ??)
Lu
Added: YES, probate record at Archives NZ, Auckland, for "Eliza HYDE - Tuakau - widow - 1931" :
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