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Topic: Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query (Read 3657 times)
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lozzab
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Wow - thanks so much Ian 
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Eyesee
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Chilton PRs
1774 11 May, JAMES Agnes, d/o Sylvanus & Elizabeth
1777 9 Feb, Lydia, ditto
1772 Aug 17
JAMES Sylvanus
WHITE Elizabeth
Wits: Martha PRIER, William LAMBORN, lic
Sylvanus and Elizabeth married by licence so one or both were under age.
Possible baptism for Elizabeth at Chilton
1753 Feb 11, WHITE Elizabeth, d/o Nicolas & Anne
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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lozzab
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St Helen Abingdon PRs ex OFHS
Baptisms
1800 13 Apr, COULDREY William, s/o Robert & Elizabeth
Hey Ian - if you don't mind are you able to have a look and see if there were more children of Robert and Elizabeth Couldrey in the PR??
Thanks so much for your help
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Eyesee
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1787 Jan 30, Thomas, s/o Robert COULDREY begotten of the body of Elizabeth BRICE - in other words born out of wedlock.
Think they probably got married but can't find it, not in Abingdon
1792 Aug 24, Mary d/o Robert/Elizabeth
1800 William
1803 Aug 4, Susanna, d/o Robert/Elizabeth
Previous generation
1762 Aug 8, Mary
1764 May 13, Robert - William's father, buried 1830
1766 Mar 9, William
1768 Sep 4, Richard
1769 Dec 10, John
All children of Robert and Elizabeth, who was a cordwainer.
Burials
1764 Dec 24, unnamed child of Robert, cordwainer
1767 Nov 1, unnamed son of Robert, cordwainer
1770 Jan 1, John, son of Robert, cordwainer
1771 Apr 30, unnamed son of Robert, cordwainer
1772 Apr 12, Elizabeth, wife of Robert, cordwainer
Lots of smallpox in the mid 1770s
1787 Feb 14, unnamed child of Robert, cordwainer, bastard
1801 May 7, Robert, son of Robert & Elizabeth, schoolmaster - not sure that this is one of yours.
1802 Mar 25, Robert, sen, Hospital - probably Robert the cordwainer
Smallpox again in 1809
No more of your line until 1820s as per earlier post
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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lozzab
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Thanks Ian !
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lozzab
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Hi Lu !
I've been trying to unravel the Sutherland/Munro/George families intertwined with the Hyde/Couldrey families. I'll try to explain what I've found 
Thomas Hyde married Mary Munro Sutherland (1870)
Mary's parents were Hector Sutherland and Jessie Ferguson and Mary had 4 sisters, Jessie, Margaret, Janet and Annie.
Margaret married - James GEORGE in 1855
Janet married - George Campbell MUNRO in 1858.
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- Margaret's son - Hector Hugh GEORGE married Florence COULDREY (daughter of George COULDREY and Maria HYDE and Thomas HYDE's niece) in 1896.
- Margaret's daughter - Jessie Sutherland GEORGE (brother of Hector Hugh GEORGE) married William COULDREY (son of George COULDREY and Maria HYDE - and brother of Florence - and Thomas HYDE'S nephew) - in 1901.
- Janet's daughter - Jane Alexandrina MUNRO married George COULDREY jnr (son of George COULDREY and Maria HYDE and George jnr and Florence's brother and Thomas HYDE's nephew)
(Hector, Jessie and Jane were all Thomas Hyde's nephew/nieces by marriage also!!)
Nothing like keeping it in the family!!!
..........Annie SUTHERLAND married ..............con't next post!!!!!!!!
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lozzab
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......Annie SUTHERLAND married John CAMERON !!!!!! (YEAH !! - at last a connection to the Cameron name!!)
John CAMERON was one of the Cameron's that came 1840 on Blenheim. Was born in Scotland.
John and Annie married 1865 in New Zealand and had five children.
Even though Edgar HYDE/Ernest CAMERON was not a blood relation of John CAMERON - maybe considering how close these families seemed to be - Edgar may have been close/admired the CAMERON family and decided to call his first born Jack (derivative of John) Cameron after them??
Oh well - I suppose I'll never know - but I'm now happy to find a "CAMERON" somewhere[u][/u] in the family!!!!
Again - Lu - thanks so much much for your fantastic help with all of this!!
Loz
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Lucy2
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Hi Loz
Mmm ... interesting, all those marriages. But these families obviously didn't move much beyond the bounds of the little settlement they were living in.
The middle name of "MUNRO" attached to Mary SUTHERLAND / HYDE is a bit puzzling ? Where did you find that ? (She was shown as only MARY SUTHERLAND on the NZ marriage index ... and as Mary HYDE on the death index).
[Incidentally, Mary appears to be the person buried as "Mary HYDE (29 years) 1871 - St Andrews (churchyard ?) Clevedon". Source: NZSG Burial Locator ].
Have you managed to find now, all the details for Edgar / Ernest's siblings ?
Lu
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lozzab
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Hi Lu,
She was down on Mary Munro Sutherland on a couple of familytress I found on Ancestry.
Haven't made any progress on Edgar's siblings.
On the passenger list there was -
Frederick, james, Elizabeth, Anne, Harriett, Martha and Thomas.
Birth references were found on freebmd - for Fred, James, Elizabeth and Anne - and Harriett was born at sea.
Can't find any reference to the births of Martha or Thomas - From the death certificate of their father Charles HYDE - it appears Martha was no longer alive (but I haven't been able to find a marriage or death for her). From the death certificate - Thomas would have been born about 1863.
From the death certificate - there was another son born in about 1873. NZ bmd - there is only one Hyde male born in this year - Arthur George.
I still haven't made any progress on the names of the female twins born in 1872.
I have checked the on-line indexes for Edgar's siblings marriages and browsed "Papers Past" but can't confirm any marriages for them at all. They certainly didn't make the papers like their younger brother did !!
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lozzab
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Hi Spike!!
Thanks for the info on the Levy/Jones'. So you are a descendant on the Jones/Jonas side?
Loz
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lozzab
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Hey Lu,
I ordered the probate package of Eliza HYDE (Edgar/Ernest's mother). She died on or about the 20th January, 1931. it helped confirm a couple of things. The first will was made 1901 (after her husband Charles had died). Edgar was to be left a book "Household Treasure" and that was all for him! Her personal property was to be split up between her daughters and the real estate just split to - 1 quarter to daughter Lizzie, 1 quarter to son Arthur (so this was Arthur George born 1873) and 1/2 to son Frederick. It appears Lizzie never married.
It appears the twin daughters born in 1872 were Bertha and Helen. The 1901 will gives Helen's husband as Edwin REAVES, none mentioned for Bertha. I can't seem to find a marriage, children or death for Helen or her husband though.
Another interesting thing is it mentions a daughter Mary Lees Excelsior (married to Robert BLEAKLEY. I looked up the BMD and Mary was registered in 1870. On the passenger list it had Harriet HYDE being born on the ship on the way over from England. Her birth date being 17th July, 1870. I think they Mary IS Harriet and they have registered her name different once in NZ. The Excelsior was the ship they came out on - I don't know where the LEES came from! There is no reference to Harriet (marriage or death) once in NZ.
Also - I think the Martha on the passenger list with the family might have been Charles sister, Martha - not DAUGHTER. The sister, Martha, was born in 1850, only 8 years before Charles and Eliza's first child. There is no birth or other record for a daughter Martha.
Thanks Lu for directing me to the Probates. It's not so hard when you know how to do it!!
Thanks again everyone for their contribution in untangling this family!
Loz
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Lucy2
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Hi again Loz
Yes, that was a great move you made, getting the probate file. Wonderful too that it contained so much information.
Just quickly ... (' cos I'll get back to you later when I've read through this) ...
Marriages
Ellen HYDE m. Edwin REEVE - 1895
Bertha HYDE - Edwin John ASTON - 1896
Bertha HYDE - Reginald McGRANE - 1908
Arthur HYDE - Helen Cathern ? (Catherine ??) CAVANAGH - 1895
Arthur HYDE - Katherine MOORE - 1901
[Zilch for an "Arthur George" : Take a look on "Archway" and see if there are probates for any of these in the Auckland area ... might just give a lead as to who married who ?]
I have a death for "Miss" Lizzie ... will dig it up for you.
Lu
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