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FishMan
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I am keen to know why some couples marry twice (both weddings often within a week of one another). Most of these double weddings seem to occur in the Enzie Free Church and then again in Rathven. Why?
Is this religious fence sitting gone to extremes, or are they trying to qualify for some kind of benefit, concession or multi-denominational recognition?
Andrew
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andycand
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Hi
Usually two entries in diiferent parishes relates to the banns being read in both the parish of the bride and the parish of the groom but thats usually where both are of the Established church.
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kirkmichael
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Regardless of the presbyterian church involved it was standard practice for the banns to be 'cried' or proclaimed in both the parish of the groom and bride if they came from different parishes. (Enzie, BTW, was in Bellie parish, bordering Ruthven to the West.)
If one or both had just recently moved into their current parish of residence, it's not uncommon to find banns in the previous parish of residence as well, leading to three, or, very occasionally, four 'marriages' !
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Regardless of the presbyterian church It didn't just apply to presbyterian kirks. The Church of Scotland registers often include a record of the proclamation of banns of couples who were Roman Catholic or Episcopalian.
For example, the Rathven (Church of Scotland) register records on 10 September 1817 the marriage of Alexander Garden and Ann Gordon in Rathven ; but the Preshome Roman Catholic register makes it clear that the marriage ceremony had taken place in the Roman Catholic faith: "1817, Sept 7th This seventh day of September eighteen hundred and seventeen Alexander Garden farmer Windzour and Anne Gordon daughter of Alexander Gordon in Dykehead having been regularly proclaimed and no impediment having been discovered to prevent their marriage were married according to the rites of the Catholic Church in presence of Alexander Gordon the bride's father, James Gordon, A Spence and others by me, Alexander Badenoch."
I have also found listings in the Bellie (C of S) registers of marriages solemnised in both the RC and the Episcopalian churches, but I don't happen to have thos references to hand.
(Enzie, BTW, was in Bellie parish, bordering Ruthven to the West.)
Some parts of Enzie belonged to Bellie and some parts to Rathven (not Ruthven, which is a totally different place).
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kirkmichael
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Enzie was a hamlet in Bellie parish, but, just to complicate matters, the quoad sacra parish of Enzie, containing the village of Port Gordon, comprised the eastern part of Bellie parish and the western part of Rathven parish.
Source: Groome's Ordnance Survey Gazetteer, New [2nd] Edition, 1896. Available on-line at http://www.gazetteerofscotland.org.uk/ .
Apologies for the 'u/a' error, a slip of the finger, - I'm well aware of the difference between Rathven and Ruthven 
To find Roman Catholic entries in the Old Parochial Register of the Established Church of Scotland (the 'Auld Kirk') is quite rare, in my experience; with those of the Episcopalians not quite so uncommon, - it all depends on the location in my experience.
It was the original, repeated intention of the Auld Kirk that the OPRs would contain the records of all the parish residents, regardless of 'allegiance', but that was rarely achieved.
For OPR births and marriages it can be very interesting to check that the name of the minister, if given, is that of the Established Church minister of the time, - this can be done easily in the Fasti Ecclessiae Scoticannae [sp?  ], now also available on-line.
But be aware that it might be the case that the Auld Kirk minister in a neighbouring parish had some connection to the family and had been asked to officiate!
Otherwise, it can be a very good clue to the 'allegiance' of the family, not just in terms of the Episcopalian Kirk, but one of the many secession churches. There are good 'Fasti's for the Episcopalian and Free Churches, but less good such records for the various secession churches. But note that many secession church ministers started their career in the Auld Kirk, so can be found in the Auld Kirk's Fasti.
Incidentally, in passing, the original name of the Free Kirk was the "Free Protesting Church of Scotland" !
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Forfarian
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Interesting. I have never before seen Enzie described as anything other than a district or parish.
Fullarton's Gazetteer of 1842, under Rathven, says: "[A] portion [of Rathven], at the eastern extremity, and containing the village of Port-Gordon, forms part of the quoad sacra parish of Enzie. That parish was erected out of Rathven and Bellie, in 1836, and measures between its extreme points about 6 miles by about 4. Its church was built in 1785, and enlarged in 1815 and 1822. Sittings 400 .... Population, in 1836, 1,814, of whom 1,030 were churchmen, 673 Roman Catholics and 81 Episcopalians."
The only addresses in the 1881 census which include the name Enzie are Nos 1, 2 and 3 Enzie Road, Enzie Free Church Manse, and Enzie School House. Enzie is not treated as a separate parish for the purpose of the 1881 census - it is split between Bellie and Rathven.
I have also failed to find anywhere marked as Enzie on the 1872 six-inch Ordnance Survey map.
So I am a bit stumped to know where the hamlet of Enzie might have been.
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Braes of Enzie appear on sheet 95 of the First Ed OS Maps available at the National Library of Scotland website. The map can be found here and Braes of Enzie is east of Fochabers and in a straight line down from Portgordon. There's also Enzie Station a wee bit further up.
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