fred2derf
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I'd like a look up please in 1841 for the following ARROL / ARRAL / ARROLL family in Paisley.
John ARROL married Ann TYTLER 18 May 1815 Paisley Abbey and/or 20 May 1815 Paisley Low.
James born abt 1821 Paisley
Janet born abt 1827 Paisley
I don't know if they had any other children. I have no information at all on John or Ann.
James married in 1843 and Janet married in 1846.
Thanks.
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fred2derf
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Hello,
I have tried AROL AROLL ARROL ARROLL ARAL ARALL ARRAL ARRALL looking for each one of the four and can't find any of them in Renfrew in 1841 on FreeCEN.
They were all alive at census time in 1841. Ann was alive in Feb 1853 but spouse John was not. I don't know when James or his spouse Jean died after 1843. I don't know when Janet died after 1846 but her spouse Samuel ANGEL died on 8 Jan 1856.
Should I start a new topic for a 1851 census look up?
Fred.
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Kathyh
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Hi Fred,
I had a look on Ancestry, nothing for the name Arroll or any of the varients, with parents John & Anne.
Samuel Angle I found in 1841
Samuel Angel with wife Janet in 1851, their children Anne aged 3 & Samuel aged 8 months at 13 Bridge Street Paisley Low Church.
Samuel & Janet had a son named John born 1852, parents listed as Samuel Angel & Janet Earl.
Sorry cant locate Janet Earl in the 1841 census.
Kathy
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fred2derf
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Hello Kathy,
Thank you very much for looking. Samuel ANGEL and Janet (ARROL) had 4 children:
Anne aged 3 in 1851 census - no parish record can be found - died before 17 Feb 1853.
Samuel age recorded as 1 yr or 8 mo in 1851 records - no parish record can be found and age recorded as 2 1/2 on 17 Feb 1853.
John b. 16 Sep ? 1852 (EARL) age recorded as 5/12 on 17 Feb 1853 - possibly died 13 Feb 1858.
Mary Clark b. and / or c. 19 Feb 1855 d. 1923 Paisley
Index to Paupers 1839-1883
17 Feb 1853 Angell Samuel age 27 and wife age 26
Place of Birth: XX Causetside - Can read - cannot write [should be Causeyside]
Parents: Thomas Angel Dead Mary Clark Dead
John Arrol Dead Ann Tytler Alive
Employed as a starcher by Tho, Dykes - No means - Earnings 11/- weekly from Parish
Has a brother Thomas in England - hence my topic on the Devon board.
The ANGEL (ANGELL, ANGLE) family is proving to be a real brick wall. They have connections to Ashburton, Devon and Lancashire and Paisley, Renfrew.
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James ARROL and Jean BUTCHARD (BUTCHART) had 11 children between 1843 and 31 Mar 1868.
Index To Paupers 1839-1883
10 Dec 1857 James ARROL aged 37 ? and wife aged 33 [not clear]
XX Causeyside
Married 14 years ago in Paisley
Parents: John Arrol Ann Tytler
Geo Butchard Christina Hanna
Weaver - Idle 4 weeks 12/- Settlement Abbey
& children listed starting with Christina 13 - in mill idle
I'm lucky that both sets of parents are listed in the Paupers Index.
Regards,
Fred
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Kathyh
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Fred,
Have you any idea of the occuption of John Arrol?
Kathy
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fred2derf
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Hello Kathy,
No, sorry, I know almost nothing of John and Ann. The marriage was taken from the parish register not from SP. I don't have nor have I seen a copy of the marriage certificate. Actually, I've not even checked if it can be found on SP. I'm currently down to zero credits and I'm waiting for a reply from Bristol RO re marriage and baptisms before I decide where my next small purchase will be.
John & Ann may have had more than two children given the date of their marriage and the rough dates I have for James and Janet. Both of his children and some of their children worked in the mills so possibly he did too.
Regards,
Fred
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Kathyh
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Hi Fred,
I've had a couple of good turns done on rootschat, here is my chance to give something back.
Marriage
10 April 1815 (Abbey)
John Arrol of this parish and Ann Tytler of Paisley, were booked and proclaimed in order to marriage.
Death
Ann Arrol, widow of John Arrol (Weaver)
Died: 22nd August 1863, aged 78yrs
At: 69 Causeyside Street Paisley
Her parents:
William Tytler, Writers Clerk (deceased)
Christina Tytler MS Langmuir (deceased)
Cause of death: Palsy - 10 weeks
Informant: James Arrol, 65 Canal Street Paisley
Hope this helps to break down some walls.
Kathy
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fred2derf
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Hello Kathy,
Thank you very much.  That has filled in some gaps in my tree. I guessed he had to be a weaver. In the 22 months I've been working on my tree I've made huge progress generally but a few families such as this one an ANGEL connection (my GGG grand father ) have been very much brick walls that are being knocked down a brick at a time. Thanks to you some more bricks are down.
Regards,
Fred
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fred2derf
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Hello,
James ARROL (ARRAL) Spouse: Jean BUTCHARD
Marriage 16 Jun 1843 Abbey Paisley, Renfrew
I'd like a look up please for the following family in Paisley in 1851 and 1861. Thanks.
James b. abt 1821 d. after 22 Aug 1863
spouse Jean b. abt 1824 d. ?
Christina b. abt 1844
Ann b. abt 1846
John b. abt 1848
James b. abt 1849
Elisabeth b. abt 1851
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Robert b. abt 1855
Jean b. abt 1856
Jane b. 27 may 1857
James b. 26 Aug 1859
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Agnes b. 16 Jan 1862
George b. 31 Mar 1864
Some of the children may have died young and may not appear in the listing.
Thanks,
Fred
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Cant locate the family in 1851
Kathy
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fred2derf
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Hello Kathy,
Thank you very much. With about 10 variations of the name including AIROL and EARL it certainly makes it harder to find the family.
Now I'm puzzled by the child between John and Elizabeth because this is what the Paupers Index had:
Children: Christina 13 - In mill idle
Ann 11
John 9
James 8
Elis. 6
Robert 2
Jean 6mo
Yet we have a Janet and a James at the bottom. I wonder...
Regards,
Fred
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fred2derf
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Hello,
I'd like a look up please for this family in 1871. Thanks. Sor far they can't be found in 1851.
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Ann Gilchriest 12 <------ unlikely to be with the family in 1851
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If the family can be found and Agnes C (Ann) GILCHRIST is not with them please see if you can find her in 1871. Thanks.
Regards,
Fred
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Ann Gilchriest is not with the family in 1871, without her married name you will be unable to locate her.
There is a marriage in Paisley on SP, 1867 Ann Gilchrist. you will need to access SP for the information.
Kathy
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fred2derf
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Hello Kathy,
Thank you very much. I notice the child aged 10 between John and Elizabeth in 1861 is not there in 1871. Oh, a daughter named James.
Re Ann GILCHRIST I seem to have confused her with Agnes Campbell GILCHRIST born 20 Nov 1864 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, mother Jane Gilchrist. She was born before Jane married Thomas ANGEL on 2 Jun 1869 in Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark.
I have found Agnes C in 1871 but she is not with the same family in 1881 so please see if you can find her in 1881. Thanks.
Now I don't know who Ann is or how she fits in the tree. She may not. Is there a relationship shown? If she is a lodger then her family name is probably coincidence. If she is related then I'll have to search some more.
Thanks.
Fred
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Kathyh
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Ann Gilchriest 1849c New Monkland Lanarkshire
1861 Census she is a Weavers Assistant
Niece of James Arroll
Sorry, unable to locate Thomas Angel or Agnes Campbell Gilchrist in 1871 or 1881.
Kathy
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