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Topic: John Adam Ross from Aberdeen (Read 755 times)
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judkels
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I'm trying to trace what happened to John Adam Ross. His granddaughter is still alive at 93 and is trying to find out. John Adam Ross was born and baptised October 4 1847 in Aberdeen Scotland. (His parents were William Ross and Jane Marr). John Adam Ross married Elsie Mckenzie on 21 August 1972 in the District of St Nicholas in the borough of Aberdeen.
In the 1891 census John Adam Ross is mentioned as living in Aberdeen at 59  Grove in the civil parish of Old Machar in the quasad sacra parish of Holburn Aberdeen. Occupation Accountant.
His wife Elsie and his 6 children are mentioned. The elder son with the same name ie John Adam Ross aged 18 a law apprentice and is someone we are also trying to trace.
John Adam Ross senior is believed to have gone to the USA and was going to send for the family, but apparently died as his wife Elsie pops up in the 1901 census in Newcastle on Tyne as a widow. Also we don’t know what happened to Arthur Ross (12 in 1891 census) possibly went to Australia post 1918.
We can’t find death certificates for any of the above.
The reason we are keen to trace them is that John Adam Ross’s granddaughter is still alive aged 93 and would like to find out what happened to them. Her maiden name is Elsie Mary Williamson born 1915 in Cardiff UK
Any ideas or help would be welcome.
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judkels
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Correction I meant he married in 1872 not 1972!
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kirkmichael
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If he went to the USofA (or Canada) there should be an outgoing UK passenger list record at www.findmypast.com as well as a US immigration record.
Be aware that many Scots aiming for the USA went first to a Canadian port
Arthur ROSS should also appear in these records if he went to Oz.
Wullie
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judkels
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Yes Union Grove must be the correct address. Thanks
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Judkels
There is a 45 yrs old John A. Ross from Scotland arriving in New York on 5 June 1893 on the Furnessia which might be him www.ellisisland.org Unfortunately the linked image of the manifest does not tie up with the index entry for him but you could work through the images for the manifest to try and find his original entry to see what additional info is showing for him.
Monica
Added: Found him, Page no. 0698, Line 27. John A Ross shows as clerk.
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sirio
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Thank you for all the research. My friend Judy has been posting for me but now I think I can jump in! Where do I go from here. Any more ideas. How much detail can I expect from passenger lists?
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KirstyG
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Interesting to see that he came from Southampton on the Furnessia, not from Glasgow.
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kirkmichael
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Interesting to see that he came from Southampton on the Furnessia, not from Glasgow.
By 1893 it was easy to travel from Glasgow to Southampton by train. There was great competition between shipping companies, and they may even have given him the train ticket if he used their ship, or they pitched the fare so that they were still competitive compared to a ship from Glasgow, even when the train fare was added on.
Many Scots used other ports such as Liverpool and London, as well as taking a ferry to Dublin or Cork, or travelling to Belfast, Londonderry or one of the N Antrim ports, and picking up a ship that either started there, or called in on its way from a number of English ports.
Wullie
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KirstyG
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It was the fact that the Ellis Island website shows the same ship arriving at New York on the same day but with 2 different passenger lists, one from Glasgow and one from Southampton. Unless I read it wrong
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/ship_date.asp?letter=f&half=2&sname=Furnessia&year=1893
Kirsty
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kirkmichael
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Interesting!
I hadn't previously dug into the history of SS Furnessia, but have now ...... 
It's very often the case that a lot can be gained from just a wee bit of background research, since there are many websites devoted to recording ships.
From Southampton the ship could have headed to the south or the north of Ireland, so it looked initially that this ship took the northern route, and, rather than heading straight into the Atlantic, took a side trip up the Clyde estuary and called in at Glasgow, - altho' it was probably Port Glasgow or even Greenock, rather than right into the centre of the city, although that wasn't impossible! Except that, see below !
The Ellis site gives ........
Select a Date of Arrival and Port of Departure for the Furnessia: [for 1893]
03/27/1893 - Glasgow
05/01/1893 - Glasgow
06/05/1893 - Glasgow
06/05/1893 - Southampton
07/10/1893 - Glasgow
07/10/1893 - Londonderry
08/14/1893 - Glasgow via Moville
09/19/1893 - Glasgow via Moville
10/23/1893 - Glasgow
11/30/1893 - Glasgow
11/30/1893 - Glasgow via Moville
Moville, BTW, was a pickup point 17 miles from (London)Derry in Co. Donegal, mainly used by The Anchor Line, but other companies as well, which was more convenient and easier than going all the way up Lough Foyle to the city centre (plus, I seem to recall, the tides and depth of water in Lough Foyle weren't easy for large ships, - SS Furnessia was the largest vessel ever built in England, save the Great Eastern. She was one of the then modem type of vessels whose size, speed and comfort, made the passage across the Atlantic a much more easy and agreeable task than was the case previously. Her dimensions were: Length, 445 feet; beam, 44 feet 6 inches; depth of hold, 84 feet 6 inches; gross tonnage, 6,500 tons. See http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=furne and http://www.geocities.com/luxury_liners/Furnessia.html ).
The above movements are not easy to sort out as the ship couldn't possibly physically have been in 06/05/1893 - Glasgow, and 06/05/1893 - Southampton !!
Otherwise, it looks like she was very much Glasgow based, so forget my speculative tale of a train journey down to Southampton   , but it is possible that there was a 'feeder' ferry from S'hampton up to Greenock or Port Glasgow, or even Moville.
Wullie
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KirstyG
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I think the dates given are the arrival in New York, so she could have been to both ports before beginning the crossing. If she was that large a vessel she may have needed to do that in order to fill to capacity!
Kirsty
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MonicaLesl
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The original ship's manifest (as indicated earlier, Page No. 0698, Line 27) shows John A Ross as having embarked in Glasgow.
Monica 
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KirstyG
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That makes more sense, I think we have gone off on a bit of a tangent 
No sign yet of Arthur Ross heading to Australia either, unless he had a middle name "Barry", as there is one on the FMP index with unknown age, travelling from Liverpool to Australia in 1920.
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