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Topic: Information please about Ship Owner Charles A Jerrett. (Read 1166 times)
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SamnJoan
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Hi J.J.
Wow, I'm overwhelmed with all that information  I'll have to look into it .
My information about the ship the 'Canadian' came from the Lloyds Register for 1906-7. Gross tonnage 137, built 1901 by H Oxner, Chester Basin, NS. Owned by C A Jerrett. 97.8 long/25.9 wide/10.04 deep (feet presumably). Port of registry Lunnenberg, NS - British. Don't know if that will help at all.
It's good to have the name of the shipping line, as we may be able to find out something more in the Maritime Museum in Liverpool when we get the chance to go there again.
My Jerrett tree also goes back to about 1610 and is very much Sandford based, but that is very close to Exeter. So it's just a matter of linking everything together. I think I have come across the person who you mention, but will check.
Thankyou for the birth of George Churchill Jerrett and the marriage of his parents. James Jerrett and Mary Cousins are definitely mine.
Haven't had time yet to go into all the websites, but they sound very interesting.
I do appreciate all the trouble you have gone to. Thankyou 
Joan
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SamnJoan
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Hi aljerrett
Welcome to rootschat.
Thankyou very much for the information on Charles Arthur Jerrett, his parents and decendants. It's good to know that there is still family living in the area. We are hoping that we can make another visit to NS one day and now perhaps extend it to Newfoundland to search for the family.
Regards
Joan
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J.J.
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Sorry, Joan...need to clarify that the ships prior to turn of the century were marked allan line...not the later, so your Canadian may or may not have been the unmarked one...
Here is the url I thought I had posted in the last reply...my paste feature has been glitching me lately
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=ur0uhltsf7vsvmgn68ciaqj1l3
you may want to see if any of them are marked with Gross tonnage 137 as it sometimes is marked on the beginning pages...If it was a merchant ship, privately owned, it wouldn't belong to a fleet line....and would only carry few passengers if any...that's why I wondered if that was perhaps the ship....
....J.J.
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SamnJoan
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Hi J.J.
Thanks for that.
According to that website, there was a ship 'Canadian' travelling to Boston, MA several times in the years 1905 to 1908 but will have to investigate further to find out if it's the one I want. I also need to check some of the older Lloyds Registers to see if Charles A Jerrett appears in them.
Another trip to Liverpool when I get the chance.
Joan
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SamnJoan
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Hi J.J.
Thanks for the websites. That has clarified one thing, the 'Canadian' sailing between Boston and Liverpool in 1908/9 is not the one I am after. The tonnage is given as 6000 + tons and was registered in Liverpool. The one owned by Charles A Jerrett that was built in 1901 was 137 tons and registered in Lunnenberg, NS. Fascinating website tho'.
Maybe he had another 'Canadian' to replace the one we found originally. We'll have to check in Lloyds Register for 1908/9, when we get the chance,to see if there is a connection.
Joan
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J.J.
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Oh, good for you to spot that...I only saw the sailing dates...where did you find that?
so I wonder if that is the same Canadian then, as the earlier ones shown on the list at the site I gave you...1905 plus...I looked through and they show no tonnage marked on any which is just maddening...but further in I saw that it becomes part of the Layland Line in 1911, and is now called "S.S. Canadian" , but still no tonnage marked...and also saw on another site that it was sunk in 1917 carrying war supplies-attacked by a U-boat with Captain H. H. Bullock at the helm...He was the only one who didn't survive...Seems that it was indeed a merchant vessel...but it may have been the same one you've found? who knows unless someone can find the marked tonnage!
Also, maybe your ship was built totally for transporting merchandise and has no kept records...
Hopefully there is something more in the Lloyds Register.
I know it has nothing to do with the thread, but this is for Captain Bullock
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SamnJoan
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Hi J.J.
Apologies for delay in anwering.
I found the tonnage information on the above website. Scroll down to 'Media - Pictures' and click on Certificate of dischage pages 8 & 9. Column 2 gives: name of ship - Canadian, official no: 113425,S, port of registry - Liverpool and tonnage - 6009.
Interesting about the history after 1909. Must have been terrifying crossing the Atlantic with all the U-boats around. I know the merchant ships were mostly in escorted convoys, but that was no guarantee of safety. Brave men.
Nice thought for Captain Bullock, J.J.
Joan
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bigbazza
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Hi SamnJoan,
I registered with rootschat today because I saw your messages about linking Charles A. Jerrett with Samuel Strong Jerrett.
Charles' father George Churchill Jerrett and Samuel Strong Jerrett were 1st cousins, so I believe that makes Charles first cousin once removed from Samuel.
Robert Jerrett the Master Mariner was my great great grandfather and Samuel was my great Uncle.
I have been doing some extensive research of the Jerrett family over the past 2 years so if you would like more info I will be happy to oblige once I've got the hang of the rootschat system!
regards,
bigbazza.
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SamnJoan
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Hi bigbazza
Welcome to rootschat
This is great news I was sure there was a link between Charles A Jerrett and Samuel Strong Jerrett, but couldn't find it. Who was George Churchill Jerrett's father? I have GCJ as being born in Exeter, not Sandford like most of our Jerretts. Also, do you know what the 'A' in Charles A Jerrett stands for? Is it Arthur by any chance?
Robert Jerrett, the Master Mariner, was my husband's 2xg grandfather too and Samuel Strong Jerrett was his g grandfather. I think that makes you something like 4th cousins.
There are so many questions. I look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Joan
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bigbazza
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Hi Joan,
Very pleased to have been of help and I can tell you who GCJ's father was.
As you know, James Jerrett b.1780 m. Mary Cousins in 1802. They had 5 sons.
James b.1803, John b.1805, Robert b & d. 1808, Thomas b.1809 and Robert (Master Mariner) b. 1815.
They were all born in Sandford and baptised at St. Swithuns Church.
James (the eldest son) went to live at Morchard Bishop (about 6 miles from Sandford) and he became a Master Cooper.
He married Mary Ann Churchill in 1834 and they had 2 children. George Churchill and William Henry Jerrett.
As you know they both emigrated to Newfoundland.
Mary Ann Churchill died in 1847 and James married secondly, Maria Hamlin.
They had 2 children, Keturah and James who both remained in England.
I'm afraid I don't know Charles A's middle name, however, from what you have told me, your husband and I are 4th cousins. I suspect that your husband is the grandson of Arthur and the son of Sam H. I hope so because I would like to ask you if you have any old photo's or portraits that have been handed down through the generations? Particularly if one exsists of Sarah Jerrett (nee Strong) or the Mariner himself I would love a copy!
Hope to hear from you soon,
Regards,
Baz.
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SamnJoan
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Hi Baz
Great to hear from you and many thanks for clearing up that mystery. I knew there was a link, but couldn't find it.
Looking back over this thread, I see that my question about the 'A' in Charles A's name was Arthur. I'm not sure where the name originated, but it has been carried on in this line of Jerretts to this day. You are right about my husband's father and grandfather. I will have a look at the photos we have and also ask an ancient Aunt if she can help, but I don't hold out much hope I'm afraid. Maybe there is a photo of Robert in one of the books in the Liverpool Maritime Museum. I don't know when we will be able to get there next, but will bear the photos in mind. I too would love to see some.
Do you happen to have a record of the marriage of Robert and Sarah Strong? The only one I can find is 18th March 1846 in Paddington, London, which is after five of their children were born. I think that Robert and Sarah's son Robert b 1843 was a sailor in the Merchant Service. He appears on the 1861 Census.
All for now. I look forward to hearing from you again.
Best wishes,
Joan
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bigbazza
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Hi Joan
This is getting interesting, isn't it?
My theory about the name Arthur is that a lot of children were named after Queen Victoria's children and Prince Arthur was born in 1850. It could have started from there.
My fathers middle name was Arthur and it is possible he was named after SSJ's son. SSJ was my grandfathers uncle.
Is the ancient aunt you refer to named Myrtle by any chance? My quest for old photo's led me to contact Myrtle earlier this year but I'm afraid she and her sisters Beryl and Sally have got nothing further back than about 1920. I've had some interesting telephone conversations with all of them and my wife and I lunched with Sally (who doesn't live that far from us) about 6 weeks ago.
We met Beryl while we were on holiday in the South West last month and had lunch with her, Harry
and Emily. She was in great form! We have arranged to meet Myrtle later on this month.
I am hoping to visit the Liverpool Maritime Museum later this year so maybe a joint effort might un earth something.
Re: Robert and Sarahs marriage:
Their first 5 children were born out of wedlock including my great grandmother.
All 5 were baptised with the name Jerrett (not Strong) at St. Swithuns Church, Sandford.
We perused all the baptismal records on microfiche at the Devon Record Office and can only assume that Sarah lied about being married.
I also have a copy of the marriage certificate dated 18th March 1846 which took place in Paddington.
Robert became a Master Mariner shortly after the marriage and we think that this was to secure some future financial benefit to Sarah which she could only receive if she was married.
They made sure the marriage took place well away from Sandford though didn't they?
Re:Robert Jerrett Junior:
Robert was the 5th child to be baptised at St. Swithuns on 17th October 1844.
He became a merchant seaman and was working for his father on the merchant ship Sea Queen
at the time of his fathers death at Falmouth, Cornwall on 17th January 1873.
Sea Queen was owned by Goodyear & Co. and Robert senior had captained the ship since 1871.
Robert Junior married Emily Strong from Crediton in Liverpool in 1872. They had a son named Samuel Strong Jerrett the same year. Emily died in 1898 age 47.
By the way, Robert and Sarah were 3rd cousins.
I never found out where Robert senior was buried. Do you know by any chance?
Well thats all for the time being, speak to you again soon. (Now, how do these smiley faces work?)
Baz.
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SamnJoan
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Hi Baz
Thanks for all your information.
I had a feeling that Robert and Sarah weren't married for some time, even tho' she appears on various censuses as 'wife of'. She was a schoolmistress, so I suppose she couldn't risk anyone knowing. That also explains the Paddington marriage 
I knew that Robert died in Falmouth and have tried trolling thru some of the church sites there without success, so far. Sarah was living in Liverpool then, but I can find no record of Robert's burial up there. Sarah was buried in the cemetery in Toxteth Park, Liverpool. I have her grave number, but when we went to find it there had been a complete rearrangment and the map bore no resemblance to the one I had. We were told that if a grave had been untended for 100 years or more it was reused, which would explain why so many modern graves are mixed up with the old ones.
You have solved another great mystery for me The 1881 census has Samuel Strong as head of household, Sarah - mother and widow, and then Samuel Strong - nephew, aged 8 years. I haven't been able to find him anywhere, so now I know
As we are going to be talking about several living people from now on, I am sending you a PM (personal message).
By the way, the smiley faces show up as various punctuation marks as you put them in, but you can check them if you look at the preview of your message.
PM to follow.
Joan
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