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Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« on: Thursday 19 March 09 00:03 UTC (UK) »

Hi - I'm running short of ideas on this and need your help and/ direction.  I have a medal in my possession that is neither my families or anybody known to us.. Long story for another time.  In short, i should like to reunite said medal with descendant of original owner.  I have done a little research and with the skill and dedication of others, this is what i know:

Sergeant  Sidney James WILKINSON
Sergeant 29568
13th Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment
Died in France on Wednesday 11 July 1917


     A native of Aldridge, Sidney was born in 1893, the son of Ernest and Elizabeth (nee Heath) Wilkinson of Pool Green, Aldridge, his father being employed as a metal polisher. The family later moved to live in 29, Margaret Street, Walsall.
     Sidney married Elizabeth Sargeant in 1914 and they had one child residing at 37, Florence Street, Walsall. He was employed by Parkes and Son Limited of Aldridge as a hame forger.
     Enlisting in August 1915, formerly as 29877, Sherwood Foresters, Sidney transferred to the Yorkshire Regiment. Within two months of enlisting he had gained his first stripe and three months later he was made Sergeant upon completing a course of special infantry training. At the time of his death he had agreed to take a commission.
     Sidney was killed by the explosion of a shell while in the trenches at Fins. His death occurred as the battalion was being relieved in the line by a battalion from the Suffolk Regiment.
     Sidney was in a post in a firebay with Private 29689 David Sanders, Lance Corporal 29528 David Bradley and Private 23725 Smith when a shell burst amongst them. Sidney and Bradley were killed outright with David and Smith being wounded, the former succumbing the next day.
     Sidney is buried in Fins New British Cemetery, Sorel-Le-Grand in Grave I.B.12. He was 24 years of age.
     An address of 64, Eldon Street, Walsall is also recorded for Sidney.
     Sidney is commemorated on the Walsall roll of honour twice. An entry under the name of 'S. Williams' is also recorded however from the details on the index card to the roll of honour it can only be the same person.
     There is some suggestion that Sidney also appears on the Aldridge War memorial under the name of 'Sidney Heath', the surname being the maiden name of his mother.


So with all of that info - one of you good people MUST know someone whom knows someone whom knows Sidney's family!  If not next step is Ed Dilan!!

Thanks for your time


Marc

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 March 09 01:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi Marc

I know you probably can't post the name here (privacy) but do you know the name of the child?

Also, do you have the Census details for Sidney and his parents and siblings? As following a sibling, for example, may lead to a present day descendant of a sibling who may know if Sidney himself has any living descendants.

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 19 March 09 01:18 UTC (UK) »

Good point - Here are the WILKINSON Family residing at
29, Margaret Street, Walsall on the 1901 Census

Ernest       Head Married   M 27  1874 Metal Polisher
Elizabeth   Wife Married    F 27  1874
Sidney      Son                  M 7  1894
Violet        Daughter          F 5  1896
Elizabeth   Daughter          F 4  1897
Alfred        Son                  M 2  1899
Herbert     Son                  M 0  (9 MOS)  1901

Hope this helps

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 March 09 01:26 UTC (UK) »

All the above in 1901 born Walsall, except the last 2 state b Aldridge.

The son mentioned in above bio?
XXXX   X.  WILKINSON, MMS HEATH, Dec Qtr 1914 Walsall

Another son, b Yorkshire??
XXXXXXX  X. WILKINSON, MMS HEATH, Dec Qtr 1916 Leeds


my mistake, Sidney's wife was SARGEANT/SARGANT not HEATH (his mother was)  Embarrassed  Cool


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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 March 09 02:54 UTC (UK) »

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

SIDNEY's SIBLINGS @ 1901
Births:
Violet - Sep Qtr 1895 - Violet Beatrice WILKINSON - Walsall
Elizabeth - maybe: Mar Qtr 1897 - Alice Elizabeth WILKINSON - Walsall (can't see any other Elizabeth)
Alfred - probably: Dec Qtr 1898 - Alfred Ernest WILKINSON  - Walsall
Herbert - Sep Qtr 1891 - Herbert John WILKINSON - Walsall

Possible marriages:
Violet B WILKINSON and Alfred HICKEN - Dec Qtr 1915, Walsall
Alice E WILKINSON and Joseph W GRICE - Dec Qtr 1921, Walsall
Alfred E WILKINSON and Susan SELVEY - Sep Qtr 1927, Walsall
Herbert J WILKINSON and Clara WALKER - Jun Qtr 1931, Walsall not him, unless he was married twice - see next msg below.

There are very likely more children of Ernest & Elizabeth  on the 1911 - might be well to acertain those names also, considering you're  trying to chase forward ?  Cheesy
http://www.1911census.co.uk/

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 March 09 03:50 UTC (UK) »

Someone who lives in Oxfordshire, has a tree on A***ry (last updated Feb 2009) with this Ernest WILKINSON family on it. It lists all the children per 1901 - except Sidney. he's not mentioned at all.  It also lists 3 more: Rose (1905) Clara (1906) and Arthur (1909). I think this part of the tree may center around Sidney's brother Herbert who died in 1956.

Someone else who lives in Staffs also has a tree, last updated March 2009.  That tree only has Herbert on it, with the parents. It names his wife, who is not Clara WALKER.  It indicates a child of Herbert's is still living. That child would be a nephew of Sidney.

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 March 09 04:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Marc

Looks to me like fellow Rootschatter, Suemuffy might have Ernest on her family tree
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,175741.0.html
See reply #6

Maybe it is him, and maybe sue has more on his descendants?

Pondering ......  what do we know of Sidney's wife Elizabeth?
Did she have a 2nd child in Leeds in 1916 (did she go up there to be with Sidney if he was stationed in Yorkshire)?

Was she from a firmly based Walsall /Aldridge family and perhaps likely to have returned or stayed in the area after Sidney left for war and again,  after he died.

As a young war widow  - very possible she remarried within 10 years at the most, of Sidney's death. So far might consider such a remarriage might occur in Walsall area or Leeds (if she is the mother of that WILKINSON child born Leeds 1916).

If she remarried soon after Sidney's death while the child/children were very young:  possibly the children adopted a new surname and/or/ they may have married under that new surname.

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 March 09 09:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Yes Sidney is one of mine. He was my Mum's cousin.
Mum's mother was Sarah Wilkinson who married in 1905 and had five children with my mum on the way when her husband was killed in 1916.

ENOCH BAUGH - Regiment King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn, killed Age 28, Date of Death 08/07/1916.

She remarried in 1919 and called her first child Sidney

Will just read through all these posts again,

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 March 09 10:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Marc and Ambly,

You two certainly have been busy. My Grandparents also moved from Walsall to Yorkshire (where they stayed), so it's possible it was a family thing.
Unfortunately I don't have any information on this family but I will ask my mum (she's 93 this year) if she knows anything.

Re the Oxfordshire link, is it likely that the sibling names have come from word of mouth and that Sidney was forgotten as he had died so long before?

Cheers
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 March 09 10:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue
Wow  Grin  Grin How cool is this!! Isn't Rootschat THE place to be and be seen!

Not only a cousin in your mum, but your mum's brother was named after 'our' Sidney. Gee, I'm delighted , so I bet Marc will be double that with chips!

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 March 09 10:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi again
Just thinking - if Sidney's widow remarried - there are a couple of marriage who might be considered possibles. Maybe names might ring a bell with your Mum  Grin

Searched Wallsall 1917-1927 - 1 result:
Elizabeth WILKINSON and George E  BEECH - Jun Qtr 1924

Searched all Staffs 1917-1927 - 2 further results
Elizabeth WILKINSON and John COX - Dec Qtr 1924 Stourbridge
Elizabeth A WILKINSON and Edwin MORTON - Dec Qtr 1926 Burton

Searched Leeds 1917-1927
Elizabeth WILKINSON and Michael KENNY - Dec Qtr 1918
Elizabeth _ WILKINSOn and James SHANNON Dec Qtr 1918

Too many to poke a stick at in wider WRY Yorkshire, though!

Cheers
AMBLY

PS: The tree which was missing Sidney off it:  I agree that's a very possible reason and I don't think the list of children had any of their middle names listed either - I did at first think, the names and birth-years appeared to be taken from Census records, but then, Sidney was there in 1901 so would have thought he'd be included if that were the case. Undecided

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 March 09 12:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Yes Sidney is one of mine. He was my Mum's cousin.
Mum's mother was Sarah Wilkinson who married in 1905 and had five children with my mum on the way when her husband was killed in 1916.

ENOCH BAUGH - Regiment King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn, killed Age 28, Date of Death 08/07/1916.

She remarried in 1919 and called her first child Sidney

Will just read through all these posts again,

Regards
Sue

Sue,  I have seen Sidney on both the 1901 & 1911 census and with the help from a chap on a military forum (Graheme)  I got the background on Sidney.  What i haven't seen any mention of is Sidney's daughter born i believe in 1914 / 1915? Do you know anything of her?
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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 March 09 13:20 UTC (UK) »

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I just wanted to clarify my interest in Sidney - I have no family interest or connection!  I really just want to return the WWI service medal that my wife's grandfather had in his possession.  I would like it to go to as close a connection as poss to him (his daughters bloodline?) if poss.  I have contacted a few people on GRU who have sid in their tree.

Also , i am keen to know how the medal ended up in Luton in the 1950's?

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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 March 09 16:36 UTC (UK) »

I'm told that Sidneys daughter is Winifred - Dioes this ring any bells?
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Re: Desperately Seeking Sidney.... (Wilkinson)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 March 09 18:20 UTC (UK) »

Hi Marc,

I have already seen the daughters birth on FreeBMD, but no, I have never heard of her in connection with my family and obviously there is a family out there with much closer links than me. I think it likely that Elizabeth remarried but unfortunately there are a lot of Elizabeth Wilkinsons and unless you know when and especially, where, you would be unlikely to come across the marriage unless the record also mentions her maiden name. It would be a similar situation with the daughter who may not have retained her father's name if her mum remarried.

There is someone on genesreunited with Sidney, Elizabeth and daughter plus other older members of the Wilkinson clan, have you followed it up?

Good Luck with the search, I will keep my eyes open for any connection especially as I am visiting Walsall in May.

Sue
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