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GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« on: Friday 20 March 09 01:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Kris

Thank you for all your help in my last enquiry.  Sorry to be a pest again but I got the marriage certificate of Elizabeth Ann Goldsworthy and now have her parents names and a bit more information and am wondering if you could try to find anything else on either James or Grace Jeffries.  The previous information is that both are from Cornwall.  They married in Cornwall in 1828 I have been also told.
Children were Elizabeth Ann born around 1830, Mary jane and Marie Emma.

Thanks Kerryn
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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 March 09 01:36 UTC (UK) »

Sorry Kerryn,

Sorry, I can find no sign of this marriage in Cornwall, nor Elizabeth's baptism. 1841 says she was not born in Cornwall so I wonder if the marriage may have been over the border in Devon. It is interesting that Elizabeth stated she was born in Redruth but alas There does not appear to be a baptism listing parents James and Grace to substantiate this.

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 March 09 03:31 UTC (UK) »

Thanks heaps anyway - should I maybe  try the Devon site?

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 March 09 23:39 UTC (UK) »

Beer Ferris (Bere Ferrers) Devon

29th Oct 1835 James Goldsworthy to Grace Jeffery

31st July 1836 Elizabeth Ann Goldsworthy   Parents James and Grace Goldsworthy living Calstock (Cornwall) father a miner.


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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 March 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi

another christening from IGI extracted

MARY JANE GOLDSWORTHY = 24 Dec 1837 Redruth
d/o James and Grace

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 April 09 05:49 UTC (UK) »

Thanks soooooo much.  I didn't get a notification on my email - sorry I missed it

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 April 09 05:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Fizzy

Is there any mention of a Maria Emma or Emma Maria in the same family?  The 3 girls all come over to Australia on the boat together.

Also is there anything on where and dob for Grace and James?  I found Grace and girls in the 1941 census but James wan't there.  I also found a James in 1941 that died but don't know if it was the same James as so many were born around the same time it is impossible to tell.  If I bought their marriage cert would it tell me more?

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 April 09 06:10 UTC (UK) »

When did they go to Australia and did grace go with them ?

Fizzy


PS I thought that you may have missed seeing the outcome of this post which is why I pointed it out - hope you didnt mind.
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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 April 09 06:28 UTC (UK) »

No I definately don't mind.

The 3 girls - Elizabeth, Mary Jane and Maria Emma all emigrated to Australia on the Westminster which come from London  via Plymoth on 20/3/1848.
I have got Elizabeths marriage certs and the last one of the 3 times she was married actually had Grace and James names on it.

Another problem I am having in all this is where I started  - John Betts my great grandfather and apparently come from England as well never put any information on his certificates as well.  All I know about him is he come from England and he married Elizabeth on 15/9/1851 in Adelaide South Australia.  I have even had the church where they got married checking the originals but no parents names or dob or where born are on it.  There was a John Betts that come over from England in 1849 on the boat called Bracken moor but we can't determine if this is him or still don't know where he come  from etc.  Is there anyway of telling from your end?

I am in your debt for this

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 April 09 06:44 UTC (UK) »

So are you assuming that james and grace died before the girls left or went on ahead and then sent for the girls ?

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 02 April 09 06:51 UTC (UK) »

Possible candidate for Grace Jeffery is

Grace Jeffery bap 1812 Rame by Plymouth daughter to Richard Jeffery and Elizabeth.

Plymouth not that far from Beer Ferris.

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 02 April 09 06:55 UTC (UK) »

James and Grace married pre civil registration. This means that there will be no cert as such just the entry in the register at Beer Ferris. Sometimes these registers give  helpful extra notes and sometimes they just record bride groom and witnesses.

As you have the exact date of the marriage you could get in touch with Devon Record office and ask them to look at the entry and see if there are any further details. Of the names of witnesses may be helpful.

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 02 April 09 08:28 UTC (UK) »

do you have an email address for the Devon records offices, as I am in Australia.

Thanks soooo much again

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 07 April 09 07:35 UTC (UK) »

I contacted the Devon records office and they looked up the marriage,   the reply said

I have looked at the marriage entry you mention and there is no
additional information about the people involved, apart from the fact
that they are both recorded as 'Sojourner' (in other words someone not
permanently resident in the parish).

James Goldsworthy signed the register and Grace Jeffery made a mark; the
witnesses were Robert Alford and Nicholas (I think) York.

Thanks for all your help

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Re: GOLDSWORTHY/JEFFRIES Look up please
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 07 April 09 11:25 UTC (UK) »

Sorry I didnt get back to you with the email address for DRO.

You obviously managed to find it though.

Shame that there was no further info other than to tell us that they came from elsewhere.

What is the next step ?

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