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Topic: Maria BURT b.St Clement, Census help required (Read 460 times)
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SASHAR
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I'm looking for some help tracing Maria BURT born c.1849 poss St Clement Cornwall (according to 1891 Census below). Her mother was Elizabeth.
I would like to trace her lineage backwards through 1851-1881 and also try to find her in 1901.
Maria BURT m. Sept.Q 1884 William VINCENT. William was previously married to Cordelia KEAST and I have quite a bit of info on that connection and don't require anything further. Cordelia died Sept. Q1883.
1891 Census Piece: RG12/1829 Place: Truro -Cornwall Enumeration District: 10
Civil Parish: St. Clement Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Clement
Folio: 108 Page: 2 Schedule: 10
Address: Park Farm Cottage
VINCENT William Head M M 55 Farm Labourer(Em'ee) Cornwall - Redruth
VINCENT Maria Wife M F 42 Cornwall - St Clement
VINCENT Frederick Son S M 18 Farm Labourer(Em'ee) Cornwall - Newlyn
BURT Elizabeth Ma-Law W F 78 Cornwall - St Columb
I'm trying to help a friend work out her connection to the BURT name. Some BURT's with a connection to the VINCENTS, ended up in Broken Hill NSW, Australia.
Any help appreciated,
Thanks,
Sashar
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Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire: Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia: Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth
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osprey
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1901 Towan Farm, ST Agnes RG13/2218 folio 95 pg 2
William Vincent head mar 58 ag lab b. Newlyn East
Maria wife 54 b. St Columb Minor
In 1851, there are 3 different families in St Columb Minor with a young daughter Mary. One has mother Maria, so she's out. The other have Elizabeth and Betsy. Betsy is also Elizabeth in 1861 and the daughter is Mary Grace who marries in june qtr 1877. So, hopefully, that leaves us with the last one. Her marriage cert would confirm father's name & occupation.
1861 Trencreek, St Columb Minor RG9/1543 folio 16 pg 32
John Burt head mar 50 farmer of 18 acres
Elizabeth wife 48
John son 20
Mary dau 15
Louisa dau 13
Jonathan son 9
Ellen dau 5
Elizabeth mother widow 71
all born St Columb Minor
1851 Trencreek, St Columb Minor HO107/195 folio 418 pg 27
John Burt head mar 40 farmer 18 acres
Elizabeth wife 39
Ann dau 14
Elizabeth dau 13
John son 10
Maria dau 7
Mary dau 5
Louisa dau 4
all born St Columb Minor
I was checking for Elizabeth senior and found her in 1881 with daughter Elizabeth who is married to a James Vincent RG11/2298 folio 60 pg 7
The Cornwall census is free online apart from 1901
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
Hope this helps
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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krisesjoint
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Hi Sashar,
BURT Maria was baptised 6 Aug 1843 St Columb Minor father farmer of Trencreek
Now I think this is the marriage. I say think because I transcribed it as BUNT. It really looks like n rather than an r, but there is no other likely marriage in St Col. Now - he signed and looking at his signature John is perfectly clear, the B in unclear u not bad then its clear and it certainly looks more like rt than nt to me.
John BU[N/R]T otp = Elizabeth ROBERTS otp by banns St Columb Minor 25 July 1835. John signed, Elizabeth signed with her mark. Witnesses Richard Roberts and Thomas Roberts.
unfortunately CRO was only able to supply me with banns 1754-1811 so am unable to check that.
Cheers Kris 
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SASHAR
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Thankyou for your help Osprey and Kris,
In regards to the 1901 Census, the ages are way out aren't they. I imagined they would be aged about 65 and 52.
1901 Towan Farm, ST Agnes RG13/2218 folio 95 pg 2
William Vincent head mar 58 ag lab b. Newlyn East
Maria wife 54 b. St Columb Minor I'll see if I can find Maria in 1871.
BURT Maria was baptised 6 Aug 1843 St Columb Minor father farmer of Trencreek
That also makes her estimated birth c.1849 (according to 1891 Census) a bit fudgy. There's been quite a few date discrepancies in this family though.
As Maria married William VINCENT when she was aged about 35, I suppose there is also a possibility that it was a 2nd marriage and BURT/BUNT could be a married name from that.
I did some of this Genealogy a while back for a friend and now you've thrown a spanner into the works Kris with the BUNT name, as I'm sure I've come across that before. I'll have to go back and look at what I had previously and see if I can connect anything.
Thankyou both for your help,
In appreciation,
Sashar
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Researching:
Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire: Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia: Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth
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osprey
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I did have a look for her in 1871 but didn't spot her easily. She's an unmarried servant in Probus in 1881 RG11/2306 folio 10 pg 13, so it does appear that Burt is her maiden name. Marriage certificate would confirm....
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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SASHAR
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Thanks Osprey,
I was just looking at the 1871 Census. Very hard to pinpoint because of the age discrepancies.
Getting more convinced the surname is BURT and she was unmarried before marrying William VINCENT.
Thanks again,
Sashar
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Researching:
Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire: Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia: Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth
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krisesjoint
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Nate at 9 weeks
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Hi Sashar,
I generally find ages are more likely correct the younger the person is. Parents generally tell the truth as to how old a child is. The baptism is a perfect match for that earlier census entries.I don't see her in 1871 either. Even given that she may have dropped a few years by then. There only appears to be one Maria Burt in St Columb Minor. Quite a few Mary's. The only one I can see in 1871 is older, she is actually Mary Elizabeth, but in 1871 does list as Maria E. This is not your Maria.......Kris
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osprey
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had another look - think I mixed up the 2 sisters earlier 
1871 Roseinvale, Perranzabuloe RG10/2278 folio 55 pg 2
Richard Cowling head mar 59 farmer of 75 acres employing 1 boy b. Perranzabuloe
Annie wife 59 b. Devonshire, Harford
Emily Kittoe 22 domestic servant b. Perranzabuloe
Maria Burt 26 domestic servant b. St Columb Minor
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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SASHAR
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Thanks Kris & Osprey,
I will continue with this but have a couple of busy days, will try and get back on it Friday.
My friend has kept a photo of a baby for years, not really knowing who the baby was, but the photo was sent to her Grandmother, a Mrs. Vincent.
On the back of the photograph it has :-
To Mrs Vincent
from Ruby & George.
9 month old Jennifer Kaye Carter.
The photograph looks as though it was taken in the 40-50's.
I found a George & Ruby Carter in Broken Hill NSW (Broken Hill fits in with this family) and Ruby's maiden name was BURT.
I was trying to find if there was a connection between Ruby BURT and the Maria BURT b.1843 Cornwall. Maria would have been a step grandmother to my friend's Grandfather (hope that makes sense).
I found someone with Ruby BURT b.1915 in NSW in their tree on Genes Reunited but have not had any contact back. Tracing through the BURT's they had online, may have made a Harold, James or Thomas BURT her father? (they were all born Broken Hill or NSW, and that then went back to an Elijah BURT b.1865 Perranzablue, Cornwall. Elijah disappears off the Census's rather quickly and I have found an Elijah in the BISA in Sth Australia for a short period and then I think he moves to Broken Hill, Silverton areas.
Anyway, beginning to be quite a muddle and I'll need a clear head to start again, hopefully Friday as I said.
Thanks again,
Sashar
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Researching:
Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire: Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia: Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth
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SASHAR
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I'm still working on this family.
I've managed to find that the George & Ruby CARTER, nee BURT living in Broken Hill, are parents of the baby in the photograph.
However, I still can't connect that lot of BURT's to the BURT's in the BURT/VINCENT tree.
I'm waiting on more information and I may get back again.
In the meantime, I will post some more queries for the 1901 Census as a separate subject.
Thanks,
Sashar
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Researching:
Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire: Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia: Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth
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