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alllegs
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Fisrtly I apologise to anyone who has read about my Williams' saga already! If thats you (Jane!) stop now, 'cos they'll do you head in even more!
As everyone I was thrilled to find the North Riding now online for 1911, I assumed it'd answer all my prayers..... Yeah right!!!
Basically I have a family as follows
1891 census
William Williams (born at some point in history in some part of Wales...) lodging in the same house as future wife Jane Thomas (born 1872, Witton Park, Durham)
November 28th 1891 Jane and William marry in Middlesbrough Register Office. Both are residing at 50 Wood Street, Grangetown.
On 24th October 1892 daughter number 1 arrives, Margaret Williams, born at 41 Stapylton St, Grangetown.
Then on May 30th 1894 daughter number 2, Martha Jane (aka Pattie) Williams arrives. Address as above.
Then at somepoint in 1895 daughter number 3, Rachel Wiliams is born.
On October 20th 1895, dad, William Williams died at the same address aged 32 of TB.
The 1901 census comes and goes, only Margaret is to be found living with her aunt (Jane's sister) Charlotte Steel and family. No sign of Jane, Martha or Rachel.
On July 8th 1902 Jane died of a Cerebral Haemorrhage, aged 28, at the Union Workhouse. Another sister, Elizabeth Ann Hewitt is in attendance.
Roll on the 1911 - Martha is living with Aunt Elizabeth Ann Hewitt and family - no sign of Rachel or Margaret.
Fast forward to the 1920's - Margaret marries Edward Hubbard, Rachel married Patrick Donaghy and Martha emigrates to the US.
Please can anyone shed some light on the missing 1901 and 1911 links?
I would LOVE to know where they are.
I've chesked Jane's other siblings and cannot find Rachel or Margaret with any of them on the 1901 or 1911. None are in the workhouse in 1901.
PLEASE HELP!!!!!
Legs
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Nutty1966
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Annie Isabelle Bollands nee Rice
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When I had my email yesterday to inform me that 1911 for North Yorks was available I did think of you and William Williams
Good luck with it hun, I am loosing the will with one of mine at the mo
Take care
Jane 
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Merrywidow
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Hallo Alllegs - only joined this site yesterday and your plea hit me between the eyes. I am of course searching my family tree. Grandfather - William (Henry) Williams, born Monmothshire, Wales in 1881. died Grangetown 1960 (Birchington Avenue) Married Sara Ann Maltby. Guess where they lived for a while - Wood Street in Grangetown. Now this is where its gets scary. He and his wife moved to 46 Stapylton Street and my father William (Thomas) Williams was born there in 1909.
Co-incidence or what? Unfortunately all the seniors in the family are now dead and when I started on this search I didnt even know my Grandfathers Christian names. I was only 19 when he died and 21 when Gran followed him two years later. My father died age 83 in 1991 in Skelton. His family were very much Grangetown people all their lives. They married into the Garbutt, Grant, Garton and Pearson families. All Grangetown families.
I have not been concentrating on the Williams side of my family for very long but I have discovered that most of the million William Williams clan originated from Monmothshire, and graduated first to Stockton and then to Grangetown to work in Doman Long.
My father moved to London after leaving the Green Howards and joined the Police Force. He met and married my Mum in 1939. I was born in 1940 and my brother Howard (Bill) Williams and I were evacuated to Grangetown to live with my Aunt for the duration of the War. When he left the Police in 1959 we moved to Redcar and he had another career in ICI Wilton. I was odd woman out, I met and married a Dutchman and lived for 25 years in Holland. Am now back in England and living in Tunbridge Wells. My mother is 96 and is in a nursing home in Tunbridge Wells but she is a bit ga-ga now and can't remember much about Dad's family.
What I find fascinating about this tale is that our families MUST have been friends with each other, they only lived a few doors away in Stapylton Street. I don't know how long they lived there but I have a postcard that Dad sent to his parents when he was 18 and in the Green Howards in China and it was sent to Teesport.
Right now I have to trace Grandad back to Wales - I know his Father was Evan and Mother Mary. Both born 1840. They lived at 93 Vickers Street in Eston in 1891 but I have to try and go back further. Trouble is everyone is called William or Evan Williams.
Would love to hear your history. Cheers. Janet
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alllegs
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Hiya Janet,
What a huge conicidence.... I'm very intreigued now!
Funny to that you now live down south as I do too - near Worthing.
I'm on my Easter hols the week after next, we should meet for coffee and compare notes. I'm away the 1st week but free most of the second week.
PM me if you fancy.
Legs
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Merrywidow
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Hi Legs
Sounds a great idea. Are you a school teacher? Get in touch a bit nearer the time and we can firm up a date and place. Will give me time to do some more digging. Can't for the life of me find out what number Wood Street they lived. I visited them there when I was 12. Will try my cousins in the North but they are a lot younger than me so they probably won't be much use. cheers Janet
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alllegs
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Excellent.
I don't know what number my lot lived at on Wood Street either. I visited a year or 2 ago - Wood and Stapylton no longer exist unfortunatly.
Yes, I am a teacher!
Legs
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Merrywidow
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Hi Legs
Just spent the last few hours trying to untangle your problem. Who are your direct decendents? Are you interested in William Williams family? think I might have pinpointed him to a birth in Freforest, Glamorgan in 1863 from the 1881 census. Do you have the marriage certificate for him and Jane. The name of his father would help. Had no luck with your other problems. Early days yet. Having said that there are a million William Williams's. Lucky mine had middle names. What websites do you use. I have a yearly sub with Ancestry and they are great. Havn't delved into 1911 yet, was waiting for the North Riding.
Luckily I inherited thru an Uncle on my mother's side the discharge papers of my Great Great Great Grandfather from the Royal Marines in 1867, so that was a great place to start. He was born in 1826. So of course I might have to go to Bristol to sort out his parents etc.
Shame that Wood Street and Stapylton Street have gone, but honestly they were the pits. Gran and Grandad had a front parlour, back room with open fire and a lean too kitchen with a lean to toilet attached to that. No bathroom. Just two bedrooms upstairs. I guess in those days they were glad to have a home. I can remember how everybody greeted everybody else as they went about their business. I can remember my brother and I waiting in anticipation on a Friday night for a chap to come home tanked up with Meths, he used to prance half clothed all over the street much to the delight of us kids.
If you can give me a few more hints I will dig further into your brick wall. Cheers Janet
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alllegs
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Wow, you have been busy.
I am VERY interested in William Williams family. I have no hard facts prior the 1891 census. I am descended from Jane and Williams 1st daughter, Margaret, she married Edward Hubbard and had 3 children, the youngest being my gran.
I do have Jane and Williams marriage cert. They married in Middlesbrough Register Office on November 28th 1891. William was 25 years old, a bachelor and an Iron Worker. His father was James Williams a general labourer. Witnesses were Thomas Lewis and William Jackson - I have no idea who they are.
I have sorted Jane's family. Coincidently her mother Rachel Thomas nee Edwards goes on to marry a James Williams after Jane's father died in an accident at the Iron works.
Incidently having dug out the marriage certificate I have noticed that they lived at 50 Wood Street.
Thanks
Legs
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Merrywidow
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Hi Legs - this is getting exciting. Thanks for info - the William I found is a dud so back to the drawing board.
Did you notice that Margaret and Charlotte lived at 86 Stapylton Street. (1901 Census) Oh how I wish my Auntie Jean (Dad's sister) was still alive, she lived in Grangetown her whole life and was a mine of information on families which I never appreciated when I was younger.
Curious to know how one so young as yourself is so interested in ancestors. Most of us come to it much later in life. I am revelling in it - maybe because I have the time. I am of course retired and since my husband's death my time is all my own. Having said that I have a three bed house and large garden that I have to look after.
Back to the drawing board. Will get back to you again soon.
Cheers, Janet
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alllegs
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Morning,
Yes, I had noticed the Stapylton Street address on the 1901 for Charlotte and Margaret, I wish your auntie Jean was still alive too!
I've always been interested in family stories, my gran (now 90) wrote a short story about her grandmother years before I was born and when we were kids she used to re-tell the tales. That I guess sparked an interest but it wasn't until I was in year 6 at my primary school when we learned about the Victorians and looked at the 1881 census, we then walked around the village and found the houses thes people lived in and where they are buried in the church yard that I really go interested. I didn't really begin searching until my early 20's however, when I had access to the internet.
Anyway I'm fascinated, hooked, and totally obsessed now!!!
Shame that William was a dud.
Must take the dog out, speak soon
Legs
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Merrywidow
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Hi once again
Spent another few hours on 'our' problem last night. There are thousands of Thomas Williams' too, frustrating. Is your Gran still clear headed? Although my mother was starting to regress when I first started to pump her for family details she still came up with a few valuable gems.
Ask your Gran to think carefully when she is alone and jot down anything she can remember when she was told the family history. What is needed is a place of birth for William - we know it was Wales, but there are hundreds - we need one little clue to start the ball rolling. I guess there was nothing on his death certificate?
I had a flutter with Thomas Lewis and William Jackson both born in Wales and both have strong connections to lodgings in Sheffield - early days. Worth trying to see if William too lodged there before coming to Middlesbrough.
As you say this geneology becomes obsessive. I have to force myself to wait till the weekends or nothing else would ever get done.
Happy dog walking,
Janet
PS My mission since the off has been tracing my cousin,......... born on September 3rd, 1943. His father was Mum's brother who was killed in Caen in 1944. Mother remarried and family lost touch. Her father was William John Brown well known MP of his day and I traced him down to his death, which was witnessed by his daughter, Marjorie Jean Gearon - so I had found her and her new married name but it got me no further and I am still looking.
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alllegs
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The gran I mentioned earlier is my dad's mum, the Williams' are on my mum's side. Mums mum (William Williams granddaughter) knows nothing about her mother's family. Unfortunatly Margaret Williams (William and Janes eldest daughter) died when gran was only 6 months old. Gran and her 2 older brothers were brought up by her father and her paternal grandparents.
I have managed to trace living relatives (now in the US) who are descended from Elizabeth Ann Hewitt nee Thomas whom Martha was living with in 1911. They are a bit younger than my gran but lived in the next street in North Ormseby. Neither knew anything about each other. When Martha emigrated to Florida she used to send my gran pretty dresses, shoes and jewellery. This ceased when Elizabeth Ann Hewitt's daughter Evelyn emigrated to live with Martha.
We think something 'dodgy' happened as gran was never allowed to talk about her mother. Dick (the cousin in USA) seems to remember Martha going to Blackpool at some point as she was mistreated after her parents died. She never talked much about her past.
Hence, all gran knew was that her mother was called Margaret Williams and she died when gran was a baby. She believed she was the only living member of the Williams line.
This was another reason I got into genealogy, to help find out something about gran's mother and her family.
We have no idea, other than Wales, about where William was born. A needle in a haystack!
Legs
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alllegs
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I think I have found Margaret Williams on the 1911 census.
Resiging with Thomas Shewell and family at No 5 Turner Street, Coatham, Redcar
Margaret Williams, 17, General domestic servant, born Grangetown
The age is a bit out but she seems to be the only MW born in Grangetown and all my servants seem to have incorrect ages
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Merrywidow
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Well done - every little helps. We are sunk if we can't find where William was born. Father Thomas James is our only hope. Tracing his own marriage certificate will point us in the right direction but that is a lot of legwork. Its funny that he used the 'James' on William's marriage certificate but I couldn't pinpoint a single Thomas James on the 1891 Census. Found a few plain Thomas' in Thornaby as a lodger, widow etc.
Will dig some more tomorrow.
Janet
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alllegs
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Argh!
I think I've confused things! William Williams father is James Williams - not James Thomas as I wrote previously. I got confused with the surnames - Jane's maiden name was Thomas.
Really sorry to mislead!
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