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fred2derf
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Hello,
I have this marriage on 12 Dec 1850 at Inverness, Inverness
James MacDonald - Flesher, Tomnahurich Street and Effie McPhee, Fairfield Lane.
I have that family in census from 1851 to 1891 and Effie's place of birth is listed as Kilmalie, Luchlater ? = Lochaber possibly, and Bonevie ? = Banavie probably. The various ages in the census give an aproximate birth date of 1832.
James and Effie had 9 children.
I'm trying to show that this is the same Effie.
Euphemia MCPHEE - IGI - parents Alexander & Catherine
Birth: 19 Feb 1828 Christening: 25 Feb 1828 Kilmallie, Argyll
1841
Kilmallie - Argyllshire ED: 1
Civil Parish: Kilmallie Address: Murshirlich
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCPHEE Alexr. M 60 Agricultural Labourer (Originally: Argyllshire)
MCPHEE Cath F 60 Outside Census County
MCPHEE Donald M 30 Agricultural Labourer (Originally: Argyllshire)
MCPHEE John M 20 Agricultural Labourer (Originally: Argyllshire)
MCPHEE Angus M 15 Agricultural Labourer (Originally: Argyllshire)
MCPHEE Mary F 20 Female Servant (Originally: Argyllshire)
MCPHEE Effy F 12 (Originally: Argyllshire)
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MCPHEE Ann F 14 (Originally: Argyllshire)
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I'm wondering what my next move is.
Regards,
Fred
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cookies4
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Have you tried finding her death?
There is one Euphemia McDonald/McPhee of the correct age who died in 1898 but it wasn't Inverness. Where was she living in 1891?
Regards,
Nel
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fred2derf
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Hello Nel,
It gets a bit tricky here but gets even more complicated when I go a bit futher into the family story.
Euphemia McDonald died 6 Dec 1898 Holm St, Blythswood, Lanark,
widow of James McDonald, age 65
- parents Donald McPhee, farmer (dec) and Jessie McPhee (CAMERON) (dec)
witness James Stronanch, son-in-law.
We are lucky that there seem to be very few Euphemia McPHEE/ McDONALD. So from her death certificate we have to try and find what is correct and what is perhaps not.
James and Effie's 4th child was Janet born 5 April 1858 in Inverness. She married James STRONACH in 1886 at Blythswood, Lanark. Their marriage certificate clearly confirms both of Janet's parents. Janet also died in Holm St Blythswood I presume in the same house as her mother, Effie.
So the date, place of death and son-in-law all fit but her parents as given by her son-in-law James seem to be way off. There is no sign that I can see of an Euphemia McPHEE being born in Banavie Kimallie 1820-1830 to a Donald & Jessie or to a Donald & unknown or to an unknown & Jessie or in fact anything other than Alexander and Catherine. I stand to be corrected on that.
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James & Effie's 2nd child was Catherine b. abt 1854 Inverness, Inverness.
The census 1861 onwards have her as born Inverness age 7, 17, 25, 32.
Catherine McDONALD married Alexander SANDS on 18 Dec 1874 in Tradeston, Lanark.
Catherine died on 14 Jul 1911 in Hutchesontown, Lanark aged 56.
Her marriage and death certificates both confirm both of her parents.
Alexander SANDS marries again in 1912 to a Catherine McPHEE born 23 Nov 1853 Duror, Argyll. Catherine's parents are:
John McPHEE born 1818-1821 Kilmallie, Argyll and
Janet STEWART born 1821-1825 Appin, Argyll.
They both die in Corpach, Argyll. John's death certificate lists his father as Alexander, a crofter and his mother as Mary McPHEE (nee CAMERON).
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John McPHEE and Effie McPHEE are said to be siblings!!
However we have these possibilities for their parents:
Father: Alexander, Donald, Alexander
Mother: Catherine (McPHEE), Jessie (CAMERON), Mary (CAMERON)
and yes, I know 49% of Kilmallie is McPHEE and 49% is CAMERON.
Regards,
Fred
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Fred
Not sure if it may help, but you have an 1855 birth cert for James and Effy with the birth of their son Duncan. 1855 certificates, the first year of official registration in Scotland, carried a lot more information for one year only. For birth certs. it should include amongst other information, where parents were born, ages, how many children they'd had (alive/deceased, girls/boys). Certainly one to look at if you haven't already.
What was the occupation of Effy's father showing on her DC? See he showed as farmer (for that read, agr. lab, crofter, ploughman etc.!)
Monica 
Added: What were the names of James McDonald's parents?
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
Yes, exactly because it does.
17 Jun 1855 Upper Kessock Street, Inverness,
...parents James McDONALD, railway labourer, 38, born Abriachan, Inverness
Euphemia McDONALD (M.S. McPHEE), her third child, 23, born Kilmalie
2 girls living (Hellen & Catherine)
Effie's father as listed in her death certificate - Donald McPHEE, farmer
Alexander McPHEE as in the 1841 census with daughter Effie - agricultural labourer Alexander McPHEE father of John McPHEE - crofter.
When he married in 1850 James was listed as a flesher and in 1851 census also flesher. In 1861, 1871 & 1881 as general labourer. In marriages of some of his children and in 1891 census and in his death certificate 1892 as a carter.
I can give even more details from marriages and deaths of children or from the census listings if it will help. Anything if it will help to find a way through this. If there is a certificate I don't have that I should get to clear something up then please suggest it.
Regards,
Fred
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MonicaLesl
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Were James McDonald's parents a Duncan and Helen?
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
Details from the death certificate of James, spouse of Effie:
Death 11 May 1892 14 Tap Lane, Inverness - carter aged 60 - parents
James McDONALD crofter, born Abriachan (dec)
no mother listed.
Regards,
Fred
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MonicaLesl
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You have my sympathies Fred...I lost 6 months of my life hunting down McDonalds in Argyll/Inverness-shire 
I think you are on the right track for Effy's parents, proving it further at this stage is hard though. You have all the censuses for her (including the potential family entry for 1841). You have her childrens' names:
Helen c. 1852
Catherine c. 1854
Duncan 1855
Janet 1857
Ann 1859
Alexander 1861
Euphemia 1863
Charlotte Campbell 1867
James 1869
You have that key 1855 cert which confirms what you have found already. The OPR marriage simply confirms she was already living in Inverness at the time of her marriage with no father's name.
That death cert is a pain  It does happen that informants make mistakes, particularly with in-laws reporting. I can't think what other cert. would add to what you already have though.
There are potential entries for "brothers" Donald and Angus McPhee in Inverness in 1851 but cannot see anything for potential parents Alexander and Catherine in 1851, which given their ages in 1841, is not surprising.
I would also have a question mark over James McDonald's father  , potentially I would have his parents as Duncan McD and Helen Grant or Duncan McD and Janet Chisholm. I found this site for burials which includes:
McDONALD
Erected by his sons in memory of their father Duncan MacDonald later farmer Balbeg Abriachan who died 11 July 1869 age 85 and wife Janet Chisholm who died 27 April 1869 age 77 and their son William died 26 March 1869 age 43.
McDONALD
Duncan McDonald died Inverness Aug. 28, 1886 at 89 yrs. - his wife Helen Grant died Charlestown Cottage Nov. 13, 1859 at 62 yrs. Children Jane Eliza McDonald died in infancy in 1835, Duncan McDonald died Polmaily Aug. 1842 at 14 yrs., James Grant McDonald died Demerara Feb. 7, 1856 at 32 yrs., John McDonald died Allanmore Jan. 15, 1857 at 24 yrs., Alexander McDonald died Charlestown Cottage May 21, 1861 at 23 yrs. Erected by son P.G. McDonald, Iron merchant, Inverness....the death of a son James to them in 1856 takes them out as potential parents to James.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ked1/Glen9d4.html
In respect of the couple Duncan and Janet (Chisholm), the following children show to them on IGI:
1. JOHN MCDONALD Christening: 20 NOV 1811 Inverness
2. MCDONALD (male) Christening: 07 JUL 1814 Inverness
3. JAMES MCDONALD Christening: 01 MAR 1817 Inverness
4. HELIN MACDONALD Christening: 14 JAN 1823 Inverness
5. CATHERINE MCDONALD Christening: 17 FEB 1820 Inverness
James McDonald seems to have got younger as the years went by but his age in the 1855 cert for the birth of Duncan (together with his 1851 census entry) points to an 1817 circa birth year.
This looks to be this Duncan and Janet in 1851:
Duncan McDonald 65, farmer of 5 acres, b. Inverness
Janet McDonald 58, b. Urquhart, Inverness
Duncan G McDonald 23, Common Labourer, b. Inverness
Bella McDonald 20, b. Inverness
Margarat McDonald 14, b. Inverness
William McIntosh 26, shepher, b. Urquhart, Inverness
Address:Abriachan
These are just my guesses Fred - can't prove anything as yet of what I am showing unfortunately.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
 Only 6 months? I lost 9 with my HAMILTON family in Antrim/Down.
Thank you very much. I will go through what you have just given me.
There are several ways to try and solve this. The common factor is Alexander SANDS and we are trying to prove his two spouse are first cousins.
Start with his marriage on 18 Dec 1874 tradeston, Lanark to Catherine McDONALD
18 - usual residence 32 Stockwell Street, Glasgow
- parents James McDonald, coal agent and Euphemia McDonald (M.S McPhie)
witnesses Duncan McDonald & Jessie Patrick
Now, who is Duncan? A brother of James ?
1851 census 60 Tomnahurich Street, Inverness
James McDonald head of household age 30 flesher born at Inverness,
Euphemia McDonald wife age 20
and at 58 Tomnahurich Street Alexander McDonald age 57 with wife Betsy.
Now, I wonder how he fits in?
There are very few Effie McPHEE especially if you add born Banavie, Kilmallie 1828-1833. Can any other Effie be found besides the one in IGI with parents Alexander and Catherine? The first child to that couple is a John c. 15 Nov 1817 Kilmallie. Exactly what we want John and Effie McPHEE siblings with John a bit older.
But the one who married Janet STEWART had parents Alexander and Mary CAMERON.
If her parents were Donald and Jessie as per her death certificate I would have expected to see two of her children so named. If her parents were Alexander and Catherine then we do have two children so named. And we have two children named after their parents. The remaining children are Hellen, Duncan, Ann, Janet and Charlotte. I wonder if James' parents are Duncan and take your pick of one of the four....
Yes exactly
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
 I'm still having problems with my connection (as per my topic in the computer help board)
Regards,
Fred
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MonicaLesl
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Re your possible connection with the names SANDS, I did see that Catherine McPhee, second wife of Alexander Sands also had the middle name SANDS:
CATHARINE SANDS MC PHEE Birth: 23 NOV 1853 Kentallen, Argyll
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
Marriage on 21 Jul 1844 at Kilmallie
John McPHEE labourer, Mursherlich and Janet, daughter of Allan STEWART, Appin.
In 1861 they were at Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie
John McPhee 40 labourer born Kilmallie.
John and Janet had 10 children.
Alexander born 8 Jan 1855 Muirshearlich, Kilmallie, he is the sixth
child, she has 2 boys and 3 girls; witness John McPhee, father.
1861 census Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie
Alexander 6 born Kilmallie.
The link appears to be Banavie / Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie.
Regards,
Fred
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
You can ignore that middle name of SANDS. There is no SANDS in her line. My GG grand parents are SANDS and the line is traced back to Torryburn in 1723. That is a privately submitted IGI entry simply showing that she married a SANDS by adding it as a middle name. Just a bad habit some people have.
Catherine was born in Duror in 1853 ?? proof?? Age at death gives 1849??
Oh, now I have a question, where was Catherine in 1861?
Census: 1861; Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie, Argyll, Scotland; John McPhee;
head of household; age 40; labourer; born at Kilmallie, Argyll; FHL film
#103796; E.D. 13 page 3
Janet McPhee; wife; age 36; born at Appin
Jane McPhee; daughter; age 13; born at Fort William
Ann McPhee; daughter; age 11; scholar; born at Glencoe
Allan McPhee; son; age 9; born at Glencoe
Alexander McPhee; son; age 6; born at Kilmallie
Janet McPhee; daughter; age 4; born at Kilmallie
Donald McPhee; son; age 1; born at Kilmallie
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Regards,
Fred
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MonicaLesl
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Ooops  I normally check whether IGI entries are submitted, sorry.
I was trying to see whether there was anything around for the potential parents to John McPhee in 1841. The only entry I could see was this one:
Alexr McPhee, 65, agr. lab b. Scotland
Mary McPhee 50, b. Scotland
John McPhee, 8
Marg. Cameron, 80
Address: Banavie Upper, Kilmallie
Not sure whether the John above is relative/son etc. given it's an 1841 entry. Not the John who married Janet Stewart.
The only problem with these name is that a marriage shows in 1823 on SP (06 FEB 1823 Kilmallie according to submitted IGI entry) for the marriage of an Alexander MacPhee and Mary Cameron. You have John McPhee born between 1818-21.
I'll have a look for Catherine in 1861.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
Thanks for looking further. That looks very interesting. His age in census gives 1821 but the census had 40 and 50 so they could be 'rounded' and his age at death gives 1818. A few years out and it's Banavie too.
Catherine may have been with her mother's mother Jane STEWART. Younger sister Jane was with her in 1851 and back with her parents in 1861.
Death 6 Apr 1905 Corpach, Kilmallie Janet McPhee, 84
widow of John McPhee, crofter
parents Allan Stewart, school teacher (dec) and Jane Stewart (M.S. Colquhoun) (dec).
Regards,
Fred
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