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BJQuigley
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John Tredrea, Born 1831, Married 1857.
« on: Saturday 21 March 09 09:54 UTC (UK) »

I have a problem patch in my research that I can't seem to get over, wondered if anyone had any ideas.

Our anchester John Tredrea married Frances Eliza Wheeler in 1857.  They had one son John Wheeler Tredrea in 1859 who died in 1860 (St Giles) and they had a second son Thomas Martin Wheeler Tredrea in 1860 (St Giles).

1861 census shows Francis Eliza Tredea and son Thomas living with parents, Thomas Martin Wheeler and Ann Wheeler, but still shows married not widowed.  I cannot find John anywhere on that census.  His occupation on his marriage cert is Insurance clerk (could he have been working for his father-in-law who was a quite well known (journalist, accountant and Chartist) and his father Thomas Tredrea is a Cordwainer.

1871 census was a tough one but I found that Frances remarried a Henry Bradley in 1870 and she is on the census as Frances E Bradley with son Thomas Bradley aged 10.
Is it likely that she was divorced from John Tredrea at this period or is it more likely that he had died?
Still cannot find a John Tredrea that fits.

1881 census shows a John Tredrea aged 50, unmarried, living in Marlebone, London, a Cordwainer and born in Penzance, Cornwall.  Could this be him?  I have traced a Thomas Tredrea, Cordwainer to Madron in Cornwall who did have a son John of the right age, but there is no way of proving this?

I can find no trace of Frances E Bradley or son Thomas Bradley.
However our Thomas Wheeler Tredrea (back to original name) marries in 1883 to Martha Mary Eastop and names father as John Tredrea (deceased) and an Insurance Clerk.

It carries on from here just as complecated in the next generation - nothing runs smoothly with this line.  My main issue is how to prove that John Tredrea is the one from Madron in Cornwall when I have nothing census wise(and so place of birth)  to link him to our Frances Eliza Wheeler.

I look forward to any help.
Many thanks.   Belinda Quigley
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Re: John Tredrea, Born 1831, Married 1857.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 March 09 10:41 UTC (UK) »

On Freebmd it says that Frances Eliza Wheeler/Tredea married Henry Broadley Douglas and not Henry Bradley.

You were lucky to find them on the 1871 with surname Bradley.

Here they are in 1881 :
Henry B Douglass      painter Marylebone
Francis E                                Reading
Henry G                                 Islington
Elizabeth                               Islington

You can look up further details on Family Search.

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Re: John Tredrea, Born 1831, Married 1857.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 March 09 11:19 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Fizzy for that.  Going to look at it now. 
Belinda.
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Re: John Tredrea, Born 1831, Married 1857.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 March 09 11:30 UTC (UK) »

Also have you investigated why Thomas Wheeler tredreas birth was registered twice - Dec Q 1860 and Jan Q 1861.

Could it be that his father had died in that time and so he was reregistered ?

Could it be that John Tredrea was not his father so he was reregistered with the proper father. that could have led to a divorce.



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Re: John Tredrea, Born 1831, Married 1857.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 21 March 09 11:37 UTC (UK) »

Have just been to the indexes on the Find My Past site and there is a divorce for Francis Eliza and John Tredreda in 1862/1863, so perhaps Thomas wasnt his - may be worth getting those birth certificates.

Actually rather than get two birth certificates it would be cheaper to get Thomas marriage cert and see who he says that his father is.



So the John you found unmarried in 1881 may well be your John.

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Re: John Tredrea, Born 1831, Married 1857.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 March 09 10:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi FIzzy

Thank you for all your thinking on this.
I have the marriage cert for Thomas Wheeler Tredrea (1883) and he does state his father as John Tredrea (deceased).
I had wondered about the two birth certificates - it may lead to something - and perhaps Thomas didn't known he was registered twice and then why his parents divorced?
Thanks. Belinda.
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