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geno
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hi i wounder if any one can help i am looking for any information on norman gillis born in 1860 in south leith midlothian his parents were christina gillis nee (bruce)and archibald gillis married in1857 she was my3xgreat grandmother thanks for any help
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Gadget
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Hi Geno 
does he have a connection to Invernessshire?
I'm perplexed 
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Gadget
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I see now - his parents were from Invernessshire:
1861 Census:
13 Cables Wynd, South Leith
692/2ED 13 Page 2
Gillis
Archibald, 32, Hammerman (journeyman) b. Snizort, Invernessshire
Christina, 36, b. Killiemuir*, Invernessshire
Norman, 1, b. South Leith
What information exactly were you after?
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* Kilmuir probably
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1871 Census:
13 Cables Wynd, South Leith
692/2 ED 20 Page 5
Gillies
Archibald, 42, Seaman, b. Invernessshire
Christina, 44, b. Invernessshire
Norman, 11,scholar b. Leith
and a number of boarders
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This is probably him in 1881, following on in father's footsteps:
1881 Census:
HMS Audacious, Tamar - Vessels, Devon
RG11/2214 Folio 125 Page 7
Gillies
Norman, 18, Ord seaman b. Leith
and a long crew list
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Some extra information that you might not have ~
Norman Gillies died on 9th Feb 1943 at the Northern General Hospital, Edinburgh. Aged 82
Usual residence - 78 Pitt Street, Leith
Retired Ship Steward
Widower of Johan Fraser
Parents - Archibald Gilles, Hammerman, deceased and Christina m.s. Bruce, deceased
Cause - Cerebral thrombosis
Informant - Agnes Naylor, daughter, 21 Warre/iston Road, Edinburgh
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Scotlands People have a marriage for Norman and Johan Fraser in 1898, South Leith
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I wonder if this is Johan in 1901:
230 Main Street, Glasgow Gorbals
644/12 ED 44 Page
in the household of William W Munro:
Johan Gillies, boarder, 37, Ship stewardess, b. Greenock*
*see below
No sign of Norman in Scotland or Eng & Wales. He might have been at sea in foreign waters.
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How strange!
Daughter Agnes Naylor:
Marriage - 20 August 1919, at 148 Ferry Road Leith, after publication according to the forms of the Church of Scotland
Horace Samuel Nayler, ironmoulder (Bombadier, 21st Bridgade, RFA) Bachelor, aged 24. Residence - 152 Gressinstead Raod, Colchester (presently in Sussex)
and
Agnes Fraser Gillies, compositor, Spinster, aged 25. Residence - 78 Pitt Street, Leith
Here they have Norman Gilles, ship steward as deceased and Johan as still alive. Given the dates and the death of Norman in 1943 at 78 Pitt Street, I think that it was Johan that was deceased rather than Norman.
Also, if Norman and Johan married in 1898 and Agnes was 25 in 1919, she must have been born before their marriage.
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Now I'm even more confused -
1901
51 North Fort Street, North Leith
692/1 ED 27/10 Page 12
Johan Gillies, hd, widow, 37, own means, b. Leith
Agnes, dau, 7, b. Edinburgh
Nora, duaghter, 14 months, b. Leith
I've checked Nora's birth entry:
North Leith:
Nora Gillies 23 January 1900 at 51 North Fort Street, Leith
Parents - Norman Gillies, shop steward and Johan m.s. Fraser. Date of marriage May 20 1898, South Leith
How can a person who died of a stroke, aged 82 in 1943, be dead in 1901 and 1919
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Ahhhh, he's alive again in 1925
Death - North Leith
April 16th 1925 at 78 Pitt Street, Leith
Johan Gillies, married to Norman Gillies, ship steward
Aged 62
Parents - Murdoch McKenzie Fraser, boilermaker (journeyman), dec., and Agnes, m.s. Stevenson, dec.
Cause - Fatty Degeneration of heart and Bronchitis
Informant - Agnes Nayler, daughter, 1 Wilkie Place, Leith. Present at death
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geno
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hi gadget thank you for all that information, my main interest is regarding the mother of norman, christina gillis nee bruce she was my 3x great grandmother and from what i have found out christina sadly died in 1880 in the south leith poorhouse. in your experience would you have any ideas as to why someone who in 1871 was married had a child and was taking in borders etc could end up only nine years later still married with a son but living and dying in such poor conditions greatfull for any suggestions
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Hi geno
Do you have her death cert? If so, what was the cause of death and was Archibald still alive?
Obviously, Norman was a seaman by then and although she had a son previously, she doesn't seem to have any other children with Archibald.
It could be poverty or ill health with no one to care for her.
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geno
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hi gadget i do have her death certified she died on august the 27th 1880 says married cause of death paralysis sudden and both parents norman Bruce and Janet Bruce nee Munro deceased
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