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Hunnyb22
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Melford/Milford lookup
« on: Monday 23 March 09 10:40 UTC (UK) »

Hi all...I'm looking for the family of Rose Ann Melford (sometimes spelt Milford) born c1838 Co.Mayo, Ireland.

Rose Ann's parents were Thomas Melford/Milford (1814-1878) and Hannah (1816-1883) maiden name of Hannah unknown. Both were born in Ireland, believe to be Co.Mayo, probably married in Co. Mayo too. I don't know which town Rose Ann was born so can't send for her birth certificate.

They appear in the Sheffield, England 1861 Census but are not on the 1851 Census so they must have moved to England around 1852-1858.

Any help would be much appreciated if only the marriage details of Thomas and Hannah would be a great help, once I find the dates and record number I can send for their marriage certificate.

Also, as I live in England, how do I apply for certificates in Co.Mayo, can I apply online or by post?

Kind regards
Chris Butler
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 March 09 18:49 UTC (UK) »

Hello Chris,

Irish registration for marriages did not begin until 1845 (Non-Catholic) and 1864 (Catholic) so you would have to rely on Parish records and as yours is so early they may be quite scarce.

Is this your family in 1861 RG9; Piece: 3491; Folio: 56; Page: 24

John is born c 1853 in England with Thomas b c 1851 in Ireland so that gives a better time scale for immigration.
A birth certificate for one of the English born children would give you Hannah's maiden name which may help in Irish research.

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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 March 09 18:59 UTC (UK) »

This site

http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php
shows only one Milford in Mayo and no Melford. Griffiths Valuation was c 1850.

It looks as though Thomas may have arrived by 1851 with a child Ann aged 10 yrs? They are living in a lodging house in Sheffield.

1851 HO107; Piece: 2339; Folio: 25; Page: 4
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 March 09 21:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi Heywood...Thank you for your help.

So, going by that timescale, Thomas and his family would have arrived in England in 1852, round about the time of the Potato Famine?

As far as I know, there's no Ann belonging to this family

I found a John Milford on the 1891 Census:
Ballintleva Kilmaclasser Burrishoole Mayo Household Milford/Melford John(60) farmer Ellen(50) wife-Mary(20) dtr./not married. Not sure if this is the John you referred to but the dates don't tally.

MELFORD, THOMAS (buried St Patrick's section, age 64yr).
Died at NEW ST, PARK; Buried on December 1, 1878 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 30, Section BA of St Michaels RC Cemetery, Rivelin

I'll send for Thomas Melford/Milford's birth certificate and hope he belongs to the same family.

If you can find any other information on this family I would greatly appreciate it.

Kind regards
Chris Butler

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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 March 09 22:55 UTC (UK) »

Hi Chris,
I think we are at cross purposes here.

You refer to John in 1891 census -  I presume you mean 1901 Irish census.

I referred to John born Sheffield according to 1861 census.

Not sure who you mean when you say you will send for Thomas's birth certificate- 1861 had him born Ireland.

Re 1851 census - I wonder if Anne aged 10 yrs is Rose Ann perhaps? There are no other Irish Milfords in Sheffield.

I am assuming she is the one in the workhouse in 1861- are the other Milfords who are there part of your family?

Do you have all census details?

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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 March 09 23:13 UTC (UK) »

How do you know that your Milfords are from Mayo, Chris?

It does look as though the Patrick in Griffiths and John in 1901 census could be part of same family- the places are only a few miles apart in Mayo.

Family Search has indexes for the deaths of Patrick 1890 (born 1810); John 1923 (born 1837) and the birth of Mary 1878.

This could (stress could ) be that Patrick and your Thomas are brothers and John in Mayo is Patrick's son.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 March 09 23:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi Hugh Smiley...Yes, it could have been the 1901 Census John Melford was on, please excuse me, it's been a long day.

It's the right Thomas Melford, he was born in Co. Mayo, Ireland in 1851. I just wondered if I could order his birth certificate online? This Thomas died young, here are his burial details:
MILFORD, THOMAS (buried St Patrick's section, age 21).
Died at PARK; Buried on March 27, 1872 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 38, Section K of St Michaels RC Cemetery, Rivelin.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: .

It has to be the same person then, maybe Rose Ann disliked her first name and went by her middle name?

Rose Ann appears on the 1901 Census as a "broken glass collector" (George died in 1888) but there's no death record for her. By this time my gran had married and moved to Hull, maybe Rose Ann followed here there?

Yes, I believe both George and Rose Ann were in the Sheffield workhouse at the same time (1861), not sure if it was the same one though.

I have some census details but will send them tomorrow. Which family do you need, Handley's or Melfords? I had a lot of information on MS Excel but my computer broke and I lost it all, as you can imagine, I felt like crying? Cry

Kind regards
Chris.

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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 March 09 23:44 UTC (UK) »

Hello again- as you say a long day  Grin (I'm not Hugh  Roll Eyes)

I was wondering if you needed the census details as I have access but it seems you are ok.

You can't get an Irish birth certificate before 1864 when civil registration began.
You will have to get one of the English children's birth certificates to get Hannah's maiden name e.g. John born 1853 Sheffield.

Just to put the record straight: At the moment I am thinking that Thomas snr and Ann ( Undecided) daughter are together in 1851 with other Irish folk in a lodging house.
Hannah and other children follow around 1852.
Rose Ann is in Workhouse in 1861.
There is also S A Milford b 1839 and M A Milford born 1859 together in the workhouse - but not listed with Rose Ann.

I think I read on another of your posts that Rose Ann had Mary Ann in the workhouse - so who is S A Milford?

Elsewhere on the internet there are baptisms for Ballintober parish Mayo but I can't see any Milfords.  Cry

PS - I am only looking for the Milfords for you- I have not bothered about George- please don't complicate matters  Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 March 09 23:48 UTC (UK) »

There are several Milford deaths on Free BMD including Ann in 1852  Huh
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 00:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Hugh...I have purchased my gran's birth certificate and on it it has her mother as Rose Ann Melford, born in Co. Mayo, Ireland. I have tried to attach a copy of the certificate but the image is too big to put on here.

Yes, Patrick and Thomas could be brothers, I doubt there were many Melford/Milfords in Co. Mayo at that time do you? Could they have come from the Burrishule district? Maybe Rose Ann was born there too?

As yet, I haven't found Hannah Melford's maiden name, and as the records only go back to 1864 I can't send for their marriage certificate. Its a shame as it would give both their parents names and areas they came from.

Yes, I'll send for John's birth certificate but do I ask for Melford or Milford, confusing isn't it?

Where did you get the information about Thomas and Ann in a lodging house? I haven't seen it anywhere.

I believe S A Milford was Rose Ann's twin sister, their birth dates are too near for them to be separate siblings, unless S A belongs to another member of the family?

It doesn't matter about the Handleys, I'll sort them out myself.

Thank you so much for your help.

Kind regards
Chris
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 00:21 UTC (UK) »

I'm not Hugh (I added it to an earlier post but you must have already read it!) I think Hugh is dealing with your Handleys  Wink

I feel a bit better if you have some kind of info re Mayo - that's fine.

John is in the birth indexes as Milford as are most of the ones I can see.

As regards the Mayo Milfords- there is only Patrick in Kilbree Lower, Ballintober civil Parish and then the 1901 census entry for John in Ballintleva Kilmaclasser parish
They are both in the barony of Burrishoole. You can use google map to find both places- Kilbree Lower and Ballintleva.

I'm off to bed now
goodnight  Wink
Kath
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 07:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi Kath (sorry for calling you Hugh by the way).

Melford is on my gran's birth certificate so I went by that but you're right, the Milfords could be the same family (depends how it's heard). Plus, as Rose Ann and her family were illiterate (as most people were in those days)they wouldn't have been able to correct any errors.

So, we have Patrick as Thomas' brother and John as Patrick's son? I wonder how many others there are?

I've seen the map and have an idea where Burrishoole is. I've also spoken to an old guy (he's about 88) who actually comes from Westport, Co. Mayo and he said Burrishoole is about 2 miles from where his cousin lives (maybe we're related, who knows? LOL).

Now I have to take my dogs for a walk, it never ends does it?

Thanks once again for your help.

Kind regards
Chris
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 12:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Chris,

Burrishoole is the barony in which the parishes, then the townlands are. It is more of a district within a county (historically) and can cover a large area.
If you have time - look at this site which I just found -interesting for certain reasons:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/baronie3.htm
The O'Malleys (my family name)  were the chiefs in the Burrishoole barony  and it mentions that the Milfords (Irish names given) were chieftains in Tirawley barony- which covers were my family are from  Grin (We swapped over somewhere)

However that is all very much in the past and as we have found there seem to be  few Milfords in Mayo. 
You are really looking at Townlands - Kilbree Lower and Ballintleva and then you would look for the Roman Catholic parish for baptisms etc - assuming they were RC as they were buried in the Catholic cemetery in England.
This explains re townlands and then you can apply it to the 1901 census and Griffiths information you have.
http://www.ballybegvillage.com/land_division.html#Baronies

From the map you can see that Ballintleva and Kilbree Lower are close together and some miles away from Burrishoole itself.

If I haven't already said, getting Hannah's maiden name from the English certificate may help because at that time people would often marry very close to home and her family name may help in giving a bit more evidence.
 Smiley Smiley Smiley


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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 12:53 UTC (UK) »

Looking on the internet, I can see that you have posted elsewhere re your family and someone has suggested that you look at Burrascarra parish records which you can order through a local LDS library.
If you have not already done so, it may be worthwhile - they don't begin until 1839 but you may find some baptisms. In experience though, the quality of the records is often very poor and hit and miss with records.
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Re: Melford/Milford lookup
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 13:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi Kath...You seem to have worked really hard on this, thank you so much, I wouldn't have known where to start.

What is the Irish name for Milford please so that I can look it up in the webpage you sent me?

Yes, I'll look at the LDS records for Burrascarra and see whats there.

Kind regards
Chris
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