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lyndyloo6
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Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi Guys,
Whilst doing my research over the last couple of weeks, I have come across reports on the census that several of the men are listed as 'Chelsea Pensioner's, even though one of them was in his 40's. I was not aware that 'chelsea pensioner's were outside London, but then I do not know that much about army service. There seems to be several in Bervie. One I turned up last night in the 1851 census was Alexander Smith, Fishergate, Bervie. He is listed as Baker, (journeyman) and Chelsea pensioner. Can anyone help please?
kind regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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Daffodilly
RootsChat Member
Posts: 170
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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The Chelsea Pensioners as we know them today are the 'In-Pensioners' ie they live in the Royal Hospital. Any soldier who received a pension used to be called a Chelsea Pensioner and were 'Out-Pensioners' if they received their pension at home. Hope that helps.
Daff
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi Daff,
Thanks for this, was a bit surprised when this came up.
Regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi Isles,
Is that the kirkyard on the hill in the centre of Bervie?
I was up there 2 weeks ago and traipsing around it looking for Welsh's. My Gt Gran Susan Allan/ Welsh lived there, so I was there on the off chance. I then was advised to go to Gourdon. We were there and went to the bar on the harbour. We had a cup of tea there and the bar man came out and asked what are you doing here, so I explained I was researching my family. I then said is there any Welsh's living in the area and he pointed to the end of the harbour. It turn out that my mums cousin has boats and a fish shop on the harbour. My mum died when I was 15, so the family lost touch and this was the first time I had met any of them since the early 1970's at my grandad funeral. Anyway, the upturn was that we went back and got some information and photos of family which has spurred me on no end, and of course I promised a copy of the family history to my mums cousins. The Smiths are on my Welsh's side, so any info would be great.
Thank you, much appreciated.
Regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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charlotteCH
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 3291
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There are record books of the pensions paid to Chelsea Out-Pensioers . They state the amount paid and at which place it was collected.. this together with the dates enabled me to track my out-pensioner from Halifax to Accrington, and was a good reference for other info I had.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi There,
Many thanks for all this info. You have all been a great help. Dougie Welsh is my mums cousin, so I guess we have a link
Kind regards to you all.
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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sheena58
RootsChat Member
Posts: 151
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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There are record books of the pensions paid to Chelsea Out-Pensioers . They state the amount paid and at which place it was collected.. this together with the dates enabled me to track my out-pensioner from Halifax to Accrington, and was a good reference for other info I had.
charlotte
Hi Charlotte,
Any idea how I can search these records? My 3x great grandfather Kenneth M(a)cKay was a Chelsea Pensioner in Inverness. He died some time between December 1843 and December 1846 I believe. Of course there are no death records on line but I think his wife C/Katherine continued to recieve his pension as a Chelsea Pension Widow. I presume you could find out from these records when he died. I know very little about his family and, being a MacKay doesn't help! I have been unable to find any trace of a marriage for him or birth for his daughter Helen/Ellen who, according to the 1851 census was born in Johnshaven. Her age varies wildly on the census so she could have been born anywhere between about 1800-25. I can't find any registers for Johnshaven on Scotlands People so I'm guessing there aren't any. 
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MacKay/McKay: Glasgow, Inverness,Tarbat & RedCastle Scotland. Toronto, Canada.
McAulay/MacAulay: Caithness, Sutherland,Glasgow.
Dallas: Inverness.
Fraser: Tarbat.
Whyte: Avoch, Knockbain.
Mynard/Cannom/Harridance: any
Barrenger/Stapleton: Kent
Hoare: Hoo/Maidstone
Baker/Wood: Boughton Malherbe
Saltmarsh: Maldon district.
Smith: Dunmow/Stow Maries.
Anderson/Rash: Cambs
Pegg/Garner:Norfolk/Cambs
Bruce:Caithness
Larance/Comer: Norfolk
Kimmence: Suffolk
Bruster/Coote: Essex
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charlotteCH
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 3291
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Hi sheena58, It's more than 10 years ago I worked thru the Chelsea Out pensioners film at the LDS and traced my Jonasso the detail of how I got the film is hazy.
I asked about it at the LDS Family History Centre and then ordered the film. I knew he'd died in 1846 so was looking at the peiood beteen discharge in 1825 and 1846. It gave the daily rate and named the pension Offices where he wished to collect it- this enabled me to track him.
I suggest you go to your nearest LDS FHCentre and ask them to help you get the film-
sorry not to be more help but the detail escapes me-maybe you can look the film # up on the LDS website.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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