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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 18:14 BST (UK) »

Hi Bob

So it is that one, then.  I knew I'd seen that somewhere on a sign.  I haven't got the right sheet for the next map after the railway was built - or I've misfiled it!

I wonder if Water Street was diverted slightly when they built the railway?  It must bend round from what you say.  Or I wonder if it joined Water Gate Lane in the hidden bit somewhere and that just became Water Lane then Water Street?  I must get to see the next map!

I think I've got a photo with  story of the old gasometers somewhere.  I'll see what else I can find.  Let us know what you find on the lanee!

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 20:46 BST (UK) »

Hi again

Thinking about it, maybe they didn't divert it.

Water Street seems to go across Water Gate Lane, but actually it's an oblique cross, and they could just have made those two the main road and taken it around a bend, and called it Water Lane.   Roll Eyes

The railway swings round when I think about it.  Could this be the bit that goes along the front short stay car park and into the long stay one?  I think I onece noticed a sign there on the wall as if it was a thoroughfare of some sort, which puzzled me. Huh

And of course we have gasometers and so it's probably not a red herring! Smiley Smiley Smiley

I'd like to see the name in black and white though! Undecided

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 21:52 BST (UK) »

Hi

Just remembering the little junction where you come out of the station car park onto Collier Lane.  I think that may be where  Water St branched off.  It goes almost right into the wall of the station.

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 21:54 BST (UK) »

In fact would this be Water Street one end?



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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 21:56 BST (UK) »

And turning off Collier Lane?

(Just off to the right).



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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 21:57 BST (UK) »

And Water Street the other end?



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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 21:58 BST (UK) »

And a little further down? 



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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #22 on: Friday 10 April 09 10:33 BST (UK) »

Emms, there is indeed a bridge on Rome st. I was beginning to doubt it as there is nothing shown on modern maps but it is the old track up to Upperby railway sheds. The next bridge over it is more noticeable - the metal one on the Bog rd near the old B&Q building.
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« Reply #23 on: Friday 10 April 09 11:45 BST (UK) »

Ah, That's why I was confused then.  There've been two!

Thanks Bob.  Not been down there for ages!

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 14 April 09 21:25 BST (UK) »

A thank you to all for your replies lots of info for me to look at
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 14 April 09 22:25 BST (UK) »

Hi July

Thank you for getting back to us.

I've just looked back to the comments on your original post. 

You said your ancestors worked on the railways.  I wonder what the date was?  It could have been when they were being built, but also, the possible road we have starts at the present railway station, but actually further down, can't be far from the branch lines and goods sidings so there may have been some railwaymens' cottages.

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 10:00 BST (UK) »

Emms, I think you are right. Looking for something completely unrelated in historicaldirectories.org, I checked the earliest (History, Directory and Gazateer of Cumb & Westmorland, 1829) and on p154 there is a list of streets and squares of Carlisle with the following;
Water Lane, Court Square
Watergate, Water Lane.
In another bit, it says the railway to Newcastle is under construction but I seem to remember that Carlisle had 3 different stations (N/S, E &W) before they built the present one.
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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 11:03 BST (UK) »

did some digging to find watergate must have been quite important as it had 1 of 4 carlisle schools in it - the lancastrian school. That moved to Mary st in 1834. Also found newcastle railway ran from the port road (between the biscuit factory and the hospital) where it joined up with ship canal. When this joined eventually with the N/S (Lancastrian) railway it did so at "London Road Station". We didn't go north for a few years after. Can find no mention of Blackwell Lane or even Blackwell Rd - presumably as they were well out of "Carlisle" in those days. Remember just about anything  outside the city walls was in the parish of St. Cuthburt Without.
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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 11:50 BST (UK) »

Hi Bob!

Wow! Fascinating stuff!  I tried to do some digging but not as successfully.

I did gather that there were a good few companies with their own goodsyards - 7?  Need to look it up when I come in.  Also, I dug up some old photo's in a book of bits of station and railway being built.  More round the viaduct though, so didn't quite get the right place.

I tried to work out where bits of Water Gate/ Street/ Lane had been.  I looked behind Matalan, and there are various bits remaining, but couldn't fathom how far over the lane would be. 

This stuff about the school though is fascinating.  I'd like to find out  a bit more about that! 

I'm going to look at my map again too, after what you said on Watert Gate etc.

Thanks for getting back.

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 20:56 BST (UK) »

On carlislehistory.co.uk and under w and watergate you get the following
"WATERGATE LANE Near John Street; so marked on Wood’s 1821 map of city
CJ 23.09.1826 p1f Ad. 22 dwelling rooms newly built for sale"
Now I don't understand the references but if you put john st into google I think the soft logic kicks in and you gate jane st near willowholme.
But all the other named sts are between cecil st and james st! which is where we had watergate. Could somebody bright like  Geoff help us on this?
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