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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 21:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bob

Dragged out another map - not the latest, but fairly modern, Nicholson.  For one thing, there were loads of tiny streets in the space you mention, which have disappeared.

For another problem, I had another look today and there are bits of streets on different levels because of the building of the railway, and the station.  Of course there are tunnels underneath the station too.

We do know from the Wood's map that Water Street is the other side of Collier Lane from Cecil Street.  It joins at right angles.  I think it iss maybe where if you come out of the long stay car park, there is the remains of a lane formed of sets that hits Collier Lane almost opposite the doors of the hotel garage, just out of site on my photo of Collier Lane above.

On my more modern map, South John Street is between Crown Street and Water Street, as opposed to John Street near Caldewgate.

Having a think!

Emms
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 21:26 UTC (UK) »

Could somebody bright like Geoff help us on this?

Hi Bob, I guess once you have charm, it never leaves you! Wink

If you look at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=339287&Y=556091&A=Y&Z=110 you will see a short stretch of B5299 linking the Wigton Road to Shaddongate ... I believe that was John St.

See http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx
Search Carlisle
Move north a bit
Zoom in a bit

As I said, I don't know Carlisle at all Sad
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 21:53 UTC (UK) »

1828/9 Pigot's:

The Cossack, John Sowerby was on Water Lane.  Also various manufacturers and shops.  I'd hoped for a tavern we'd recognise.

PF Doran has a school in Watergate Lane and Timothy Powel is master at your Lancaster School in Water Lane

Going to look at map again!

Best wishes

Emms
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 21:55 UTC (UK) »

Hi Goeff

An expert!  That sounds like the John St on the other side.  Thank you!  A link to Old Maps.  Just what I need!

Best wishes

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 22:18 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Earliest map is 1868. 

Even by then, Water Street is more or less where it is today.  Link is hopefully large scale around the station.  I'm intrigued though.  Maybe it's a boundary or something goes along where that bit of lane from Collier Lane goes,  right across (Under>), the station and across James Street onto the river path that's marked as Watergate Lane on the old map.

I'm itching to find a copy of that book on the building of Citadel Station!

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx

Best wishes
Emms

Modified:  Looks like you can't do that.  Goes to the search page.

If you put Collier Lane in though, Carlisle is at the top of the huge drop down list, or try Citadel Station.

Emms
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 09:00 UTC (UK) »

Emms, on Geoff's second 1868 map, there are at least 3 thoroughfairs between James st and the station only 1 of which is named. Also there is a road/lane that runs right up to the station wall and appears at the other side right into collier lane where you predicted below the gaol tap (is that still there?). Also it shows the North Eastern Railway running under the bridge on Rome st and the Lamplugh Works cotton and woollen where the gas works is now but the road isn't named. I'll look for lamplugh works to see if I can get an address - it didn't come up on google.
The other interesting thing is that James st runs into Mill st at the top end on the route of what we would call victoria viaduct.
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 12:25 UTC (UK) »

No, couldn't find Lamplugh Works but I made a mistake on it's location. It is probably still there as that large building just before the council tip (self storage etc). But I did find a Mains Manufacturing Co. Carlisle Ltd. on Water St although I'm suspicious as "Mains" were up London Rd.
The gas works were where the station is now and moved to Borough Mill Field in 1847 when the station was built. This is next to Mill Lane what we now call Victoria viaduct and not moved to Rome st until 1919.
In 1829 there is no listing for Mill St or James St but Water st and Long Island are there. And in 1894 Mill St is still there but a no Thoroughfare.  It just gets stranger and stranger.
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 15:56 UTC (UK) »

And Geoff, you're right about John st. There were 2 pubs listed that I recognised listed as being on it. The Malsters Arms only closed a few years back. I think what confused was its descripion as being on Church st - we now call that road Caldewgate - rightly or wrongly.
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #38 on: Monday 27 April 09 16:47 UTC (UK) »

Mother went to a talk on the Lanes Shopping centre in Carlisle which knocked down most of the lanes between Scotch st and Lowther st and some clever person took notes. They were apparently quite labrynthine. Do you suppose I have to ask permission of the talk giver (Tom Watts of the coffee shop on Bank st) before I publish on here? I would hate to get anybody into trouble.
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 12:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bob & Goeff

Thank you for all your replies.  Not managed anything new, but keeping my eyes out.  Some of the talks that have been given sound fascinationg.  Copyright's getting more complicated by the moment. 

Even so, I would have thought publishing the full notes without permission wouldn't be on, but adding a couple of facts from the knowledge gained would be another matter.

Best wishes

Emms
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 02 May 09 14:46 UTC (UK) »

Lanes Shopping Centre.

List of old lanes in Carlisle off English St/ Scotch St starting with Bank St to East Tower St.
Lowthian’s Lane (behind whatever they call the Midland Bank now.
Packhorse Lane
Kings Arms Lane (83 “houses” and 145 people in 1851)
Peascod Lane
Old Grapes Lane
Luthwaites Lane
Crown and Anchor Lane
Old Bush Lane
Globe Lane
Union Court
Hodgson’s Court
Keyes Lane
Law’s Lane
Sewell’s Lane
Bousfield’s Lane
Three Cannons Lane
All these in the space of probably less than 100 yards.
   Then East Tower St. Not all ran through to Lowther St and not all were inhabited
On the other side was Lion and Lamb Lane.
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 03 May 09 08:53 UTC (UK) »

Due to Geoff's brill maps on the backhouses thread, my apologies. The old lanes were probably 200 yards long.
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 03 May 09 11:23 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Bob!

Thankyou very much.

Great to see them all listed like that!

Emms
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 07 May 09 11:00 UTC (UK) »

I guess this is a suitable place to post this -

Living conditions in Carlisle in the later part of the 1800's (not to be read while eating) http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45724

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 07 May 09 11:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Goeffe

Fascinating reading. 

Thank you!

Best wishes

Emms
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