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Topic: Sawley with Wilsthorpe C41,51,61 Saxton family (Read 2228 times)
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willow154
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Morning Sandy and Colin,
My mother's family, in France, were originally cordwainers, eventually distributing work to all of the villages and towns where they lived. (Lots of pharmacist, lawyers and doctors in there, too + one anarchist in the wider family   ).
I bought a lovely Victorian Photo album from someone on ebay, which belonged to a shoemaker's family (master of a guild by the looks of it) - it has some wonderful photographs of them at work.
Paulene 
Sandy,
Did you just do military graves in our village yesterday, or all of them?
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seahall
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Hi Paulene.
There is only 2 War Graves there and a noted family commerated one
at the Cemetery.
I took about 100 in the Churchyard as some were of the Church.
Also 231 photographs (some I had to take 4 shots for one grave) of the Cemetery.
I do usually do the whole areas, yet I wanted to go elsewhere so only took
readable ones.
I wonder if you would do something for me sometime, no problem if you
do not wish to too.
I noticed the Roll of Honour and took some photographs, yet the glass reflected
back on the images.
I would really appreciate a good image of the list of names and better
ones of the Wall Memorial if you feel you could oblige.
Sandy
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willow154
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Hi Sandy,
My pleasure - would you like me to post it on the thread or send it by email. Not sure when, but I will do it for you.
I started photographing and transcribing the graves in the churchyard last autumn - probably did about a third. If you are going to put them into a Northants site I am happy to put them onto a disc and send it to you. (I was going to make a plan, etc) but it might be better if they go on a general site, as that is where most people will search for them + it will save me trying to work out how to do a site, too. I know the project will be in safe hands with you, Sandy.
Let me know your thoughts.
Paulene
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seahall
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Morning Paulene.
I think you give me more credit than is due to me. 
You seem to be doing more work on the project than I do.
I take the photographs make them into pdf's usually by Surname/Forename
(as well as keeping the original jpg's) with bookmarks besides an Excel file.
Therefore for me
1. It records a lot of grave/headstones in photo's that will become illegible.
2. As the Northamptonshire Family History Society has done so many M.I.'s
most of the Inscriptions are already listed which assists me.
I have often thought of making a web site, yet to be honest I think Northamptonshire
already has the best we can have with quite a few dedicated sites for Family Historians.
Maybe you might like to offer to one of those.
Thank you for your kind offer of assistance.
Sandy
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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Guys
I found the Captain!
He died in 1953 when he was living at Ickenham, Middlesex and working as General Manager of a Shipping Company. He married Pamela Randall MBE BA (Cantab) in Tobruk in 1948 - she had been awarded her MBE on Jan 1st 1948 for services as an "Officer, Grade II, Foreign Office (German Section)." Ssssh! ;-)
I am enquiring with the Middlesex folk whether there are any records of children or of Pamela, who might just be alive still and would be 92.
8 days to go!
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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willow154
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Good morning everyone,
Colin - that is good news! Hope you get some feedback from Middlesex.
Sandy, I took some photographs of the Roll of Honour in the church, but had the same problems as you. I tried it with flash, and without. Each one taken standing directly in front of the roll has some sort of problem - flash showing, reflection of me or reflection of windows. The only way I could take one was to take it at an angle, from the side.
Anyway, I have two such photographs - one taken by me and one by my friend, and neighbour, the Revd. Brian.
Please let me know if these are suitable, and if they are, how I should get them to you, Sandy.
Hope you all had a lovely weekend.
Paulene
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Colin Y
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Good Morning Paulene,
...even more progress... we THINK that they had a son born 1953, Nigel W Brookes. Sadly his Dad W F P B died a year later. He was very young so I thought there might have been something in the Press but, to date, nix!
Nigel's birth was registered in Hammersmith, Middlesex which was not far from Ickenham where they were living. That was perhaps where the Maternity hospital was.
There are several Brookes Births where Randall is the mothers maiden name between 1948 and 1953 but Nigel's middle initial makes it more likely to be their child - his dads family were very William linked and his Mum's Dad had Wynne as his middle name.
Any of your usual sound lateral thinking thoughts how I might refine him/this and his Dad's death more? How can I find any Mx local press archives?
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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willow154
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Hi Colin,
Still thinking abut the first question, but her is a link which should help you locate which newsapers would be in circulation at the time + where copies those newspapers are now located.
Hope it is useful.
Paulene
www.rootschat.com/links/060d
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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Guys
... and finally... the Death Certificate for the Colonel arrived today.
He died in Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Birmingham at a premises Scrimnet has professional reason to know well! The C o D was Carcinoma of the rectum. He was 58. The informant was Louie his widow. Nothing surprising!
The Colonels parents William & Elizabeth remain somewhat of a mystery too. I did find a record of a William Brookes marrying an Elizabeth Carson in Bengal in 1879 (Source: Bengal marriage index 1874-96 ) I think the India Office index at the BL will have to be visited!
We have found the BMDs of their son W F P Brookes and the birth of his son Nigel W (for Wynne or William?) Brookes. His marriage was in 1984 in Wokingham/Reading area to a Julyan( we think it should be Julie Ann - hard of hearing clergymen?) Hancock. We are looking for them!
All that is left is to find out what became of his daughter Elsie Mabel Ethel Brookes, born Kirkee, India 1910. Lived in Moseley with Mum & Dad until 1945. (Source: Electoral roll) ...?
Thanks for all your efforts guys!
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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Jane Swan
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Hi Colin
I have only just seen this thread and read page 1. You assumed your Sawley lace hands were outworkers from Nottingham. There was a large lace centre in Long Eaton. My greatgrandfather and then his sons including my grandfather had a large factory there. There were other factories there in the 1860s right up to the 1960s.
I still live on the Notts/Derby border 5 miles from Long Eaton/Sawley.
I hope this helps.
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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willow154
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Hi Colin,
In response to your email:
Spent some time looking for Elsie and WHB senior - managed to find some things which might help you with Elsie Mabel Ethel Brookes;
Couldn't find a marriage - so decide to see what happened to her after her father's death:
From BT Phone books:
1950/1951:
E M E Brookes
2 Coppice Road, 13 SOUth 0627
1956:
Miss E M E Brookes
Petersbourne ct, Petersfield Rd, 28 SPRingfield 5028
1958: + OTHER YEARS
E M E Brookes
5 Heythrop gro, 13 SPRingfield 5745
1968: + OTHER YEARS
E M E Brookes
14 Milton Clo., Bentley Hth Knowle 2429
*Nothing for this address after 1975.
HOWEVER, there is:
1980 + 1982:
E M E Brookes
40 East Cres., Beeston Rylands, Nottm. 222108
Question is - is this the same person?
I've tried to find her death - from 1975 to about 1985, but haven't found it as yet - but might have missed it - perhaps some other clever soul on this thread might be able to track it down - there's a challenge!
Still mulling over WHB sen - I couldn't find an army birth listed for WHB jnr on findmypast - but might have missed it. Also it's strange that it doesn't give his father a military title when they mention his father and mother's name  Plus, mother's name has an 's' , not 'z' - so still mulling over that one.
Anyway, great to see how much you've found out - hope this little bit helps you track down what happened to Elsie.
Sorry it's taken me a while to get back - been a complicated few months - e.g. new dog, which snapped her cruciate ligament just after we adopted her, etc, etc.
Can only get better!
Take care,
Paulene
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