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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Locations as requested.
Just click on this long link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Dudley+Port,+Tipton,+Sandwell+DY4,+United+Kingdom&daddr=Burnt+Tree&hl=en&geocode=&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=52.521319,-2.053516&sspn=0.014205,0.028839&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16
Colin
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willow154
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Hi Colin,
I thought you were in Staffs!  Small world, isn't it!
Thanks for the map - I'd worked it out that mine were dotted around from just above were Fisher Street is (one ran the The Red Lion Inn on Fisher Street) down to about where the Tividale Hall/Hopkins St bus stop is.
Still haven't found where Bayley's buildings was, though. Most of them were in this area, and later started spreading out to various palces around there; and some further afield to Derbyshire, Middlesborough area, Birkenhead, and Barrow in Furness.
I like to find where Sarah Adams's daughter, Sarah Ann Bayley's family went to - apparently ( according to Sarah Adams' will) they were left eh family Bible - and who knws what wonderfgul information that might contain!
Anyway, Colin, we're digressing Can I help you with the army service records on ancestry?
Paulene 
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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Paulene
Yes, please. I dont have Ancestry membership... that would be super.
Shall I try and find you the Bayley's buildings? I found the 1911 is good for that sort of search?
I tried to find my pear tree lane in Tipton without success. In the end I realised it was in Brierly Hill but the telephone exchange was Tipton... I ran that weighbridge and made the tea and shared the multipler pints of Mild at a tiny pub just over the Canal bridge with the gys from the Steel Mill in 1958,9,60 in my last years at school... its a long time ago! I went back last year and it has changed!
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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willow154
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Hi Colin,
Sorry for the delay in replying - my son in law came down to Peterborough for an interview, and called in to see us.
I've found what I think is the medal card for William Henry Brookes (but it might not be!)
This is what it says for the address;
In the field 
Fullwood Barracks Preston (has some marks next to this, which I'm sure have been discussed on rootschat - but I can't remember what they mean  )
c/o Messrs Cox & Co.
16, Charing Cross.
Does any of that ring any bells, Colin?
This card says he was 24th Brigade RFA.
Rank BSM Reg number 28130
then:
RA Lieut. Maj.
Let me know what you think, Colin.
If you send me your email address I can forward the details to you (if it is this one, that is). Plus, you can tell me where you are - bit stupid, couldn't work it out from your clue )
Paulene
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willow154
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Hi Colin,
That was really kind of you to look for Bayley's Buildings - I've just had a look at the 1901 census (when Sarah Adams lived there) and is is situated between 177 and 178 Dudley Port - so it must just be above where the Tividale Hall bus stop is.
her daughter married Thomas Bayley, brick manufacturer - his father was already a brick manufacturer in Tipton. Thomas and Sarah Ann lively in Park Lane House, Park Lane, Tipton, on the 1911 census.
It is interesting to see the names of the roads in and around Dudley Port; I recognise so many of the names from the names of people living in Tipton that I have come across through my research of the Adams family.
You're quite right, it is very different today. If you lived there you must feel this even more, Colin.
I did find the local people very friendly though, when I needed to ask for directions to the Black Country Museum, etc.
Bye for now,
Paulene
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willow154
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Thanks, scrimnet 
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Colin Y
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Hi Scrimnet/Paulene
Thanks for the info.
I'll tell you both what I know by copy from his sheet on my Reunion file: (my text cont below)
Name: Lt. Col. William Henry BROOKES MC & bar, C de G (Palme) R.A.
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Birth: 1885 Place: Worcestershire? (N/K for sure)
Death: 29 Jun 1942 Place:?
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Burial: 1942 Place: HARBORNE (ST. PETER) CHURCHYARD
Occupation: Chief Recruiting Officer, Midland Division. Army
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Residence: 1908-1910 Place: Kirkee Bombay India - RFA on attachment. Sergeant.
Census: 1911 Place: Military - Alton Hants - Census shows SERGEANT 127TH BATTERY R F A
Residence: 1918 Place: 13 Showell Green Lane, Sparkhill, Absent voters list Major, A.286 Bde., R.F.A.
Residence: 1935 Place: 54 Anderton Park Road, Moseley WH + EL + WFP + Elsie Mabel Ethel
Residence: 1939 Place: 2 Coppice Road, Mosely & Kings Heath electoral Roll - all 4 present
Father: William Henry Brookes (~1856-)
Mother: Elizabeth Louisa HALES (1856-)
Spouse
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1: Emily Louise (Louie) PENTLAND
Birth: 13 Jul 1877 Place: 151 Lord Street, Wolverhampton, Staffs
Marriage: Dec Q 1906 Place: Birmingham Warwickshire
Father: Joseph George PENTLAND Sen. (1851-1914)
Mother: Emily (Elizabeth?) FRYER OR FRIARS (1854->1930)
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Children: William Frederick Pentland (1908-) - Capt RFA 1945
Elsie Mabel Ethel (1910-)
Notes for Lt. Col. William Henry BROOKES
(cit. www.cwgc.org)
Son of W. H. Brookes and Elizabeth Brookes; husband of Emily Louise Brookes, of Moseley, Birmingham. Chief Recruiting Officer, Midland Division. Service Number 1965
(cit FreeBMD)
Marriages Mar 1876
Brookes William Henry Stourbridge 6c 200 Scan available - click to view
Hale Elizabeth Louisa Stourbridge 6c 200 Scan available - click to view
(cit. London Gazette:)
Awarded a Bar to the Military Cross.
Lt. (A./Maj.) William Henry Brookes, M.C., R.F.A. (M.iC. gazetted 14th January, 1916.)
(cit LONDON GAZETTE, 3 APRIL, 1918, and
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 3 APRIL, 1918)
Lt. (A./Maj.) William Henry Brookes, M.C., R.F.A.
For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to
duty. He brought two guns into action
under exceedingly difficult conditions, and
carried out his allotted task during an
attack. On the following day, although
wounded, he moved his battery forward into
action over very bad .ground in suuport of
an attack. Although suffering heavy casualties
he inspired his men with confidence by
his personal example.
Misc. Notes
(cit www.cwgc.org) Son of W. H. Brookes and Elizabeth Brookes; husband of Emily Louise Brookes, of Moseley, Birmingham.
(cit Nat Arcs)
Medal card of Brookes, William Henry
Corps: 24th Brigade Royal Field Artillery
Regiment No: 28130
Rank: Battery Serjeant Major... 1914-1920 WO 372/3
Medal card of Brookes, William Henry
Corps Regiment No Rank
24th Brigade Royal Field Artillery 28130 Battery Serjeant Major
Royal Artillery Lieutenant
Royal Artillery Major
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/3
War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Our Connection - His wife, Louise, was my Grannies sister.
Your Preston info is new Paulene, thanks.
I am glad to hear there are Jobs openings in this City!
What have I missed?
Aabsolutely anything else you can tell me would be really appreciated!
Thansk for your interest
Colin
PS Scrimnet - Tennal Road is where HGC is - I was first a member there in 1948! (at age 5!) ;-)
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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willow154
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Colin,
Have you seen the medal card? I have a copy printed out, but don't know if you have the full information already.
Paulene
Added: I presume that if he stayed in the army atfer 1922 his army service records will not be on ancestry, but with Historical Disclosures in Glasgow.
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willow154
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Thankyou, scrimnet - I'm trying (again) to find his death entry, but without much success.
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willow154
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Think I have it:
Deaths registered in April, May and June, 1942
BROOKES William H 58 Bimingham 6d 574
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